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hey everyone welcome to geophob live

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stream today's guest is going to be

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Terry Lovelace and I'm excited to talk

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to him again the last time I had Terry

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on this channel was about two years ago

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and he has come up with a lot more since

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then but uh uh first some housekeeping

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later on uh whenever the opportunity

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comes up we will be doing Q a so please

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make sure to have your questions ready

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uh and if you are watching and leaving

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questions in text form whether on

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YouTube or twitch or on Facebook please

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make sure you put three asterisks in in

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before the question and then of course

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as always I have telegram available

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where if you're part of the UFO Hub

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telegram group

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um you will be able to basically ask a

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question of the speaker yourself when

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that time comes so please make sure to

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download Telegram and it shouldn't take

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that long if you don't have it you

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should be able to do it while we're

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still conducting into view so download

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it go to the the chat room that's open

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and then raise your hand which tells me

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that you are interested to to then speak

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to the the um the author directly or

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Terry in this case directly and ask them

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a question

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the other part I have is basically

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I have uh Terry is also going to be part

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of the Ozark Mountain UFO conference and

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so the conference coming up in April

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it'll be from 14 to 16. and so even

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though I've met Terry before online and

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and we've had some

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um what you would call it the virtual

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conferences I'm excited to actually meet

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him in person and you will be able to do

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that as well

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uh let me switch over real quick to

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to the website

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just to show you so the right now we

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have the full roster and so there's

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Terry right there we're gonna have also

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Chief Sean Cahill Ben Hansen and

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basically the the whole schedule is full

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and I hope you if you are interested

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please check out the website I hope

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you'll be able to make it there's still

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over a month but the seats are going

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fast so I'm hoping that you can get a

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seat for yourself if you can't make it

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or for some reason uh your own I mean

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you are overseas and whatnot it will

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also be live streamed as well so there's

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an opportunity to watch it that way

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um also any kind of the link for Ozark

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for the registration is in the

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description below uh Terry's also has

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written two books uh one is his first

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book is called the incident and devil to

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den the second one is uh Devil's then

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the Reckoning and links for both of

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those books are in this in the

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description below along with this

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that I that I wanted to do today he will

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not be recalling everything that he and

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I talked about in the previous interview

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or in the first one I have the link in

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the description for the first interview

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for you to review and so we'll we'll

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give a little bit of background about

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himself and then we'll basically pick up

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where we left off so to say

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all right I think um that covers all of

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let me let me see here to bring to bring

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Terry in right now

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hey Terry welcome how are you

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I'm great thank you it's a pleasure to

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be here good to talk to you again

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yeah good to see you as well yeah I know

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it's it's been a while and

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um uh before we begin I'm glad we

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connected a bit early to fix these

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connection issues but you're coming in

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loud and clear so I guess we can get

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going whenever whenever you are ready so

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please if you could uh please give a

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little bit of about your background

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information for somebody that's new

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that's watching today and then we'll get

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into your new book after that

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oh sure yeah I'm happy to uh well hello

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my name is Terry Lovelace uh I graduated

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from high school in St Louis Missouri in

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1973 and joined the United States Air

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Force and spent the next six years on

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staff sergeant Steve stationed at

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and stayed my entire six years there

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and uh finished finished my uh my tour

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gotta finish the bachelor's degree went

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to Western Michigan finished the law

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degree I passed the bar and I've made my

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living in the law uh since until I

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retired in in 20 2012.

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um because people ask me why why didn't

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you tell this story sooner and the

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reason was uh I had been I was an

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Assistant Attorney General I'd have been

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laughed out of my position

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um you know if you're in certain jobs

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the law law enforcement Air Traffic

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Control Pilots you don't talk about this

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kind of stuff uh because this just kills

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your career I'm hoping that that's

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starting to change I wrote a book

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incident at Devil's Den about my 1977

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abduction from an Arkansas State Park

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and published that in March of 2018

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and then I wrote a second book called

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The Reckoning Devil's Den the Reckoning

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uh and published that in 2020

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and uh I'm here to talk about uh well

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both books and the story and and

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anything else we'd like to

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so thank you thank you for inviting me

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it's really fun to be here

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well Terry did I think that's that's

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great that some some isn't up for those

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that are new to you well um I'm going to

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give you a free reins please start out

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whatever you would like to start out to

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to tell you to tell your story and

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whatever else you would like to cover

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about everything

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like to say uh kind of preface the the

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main event

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I had um

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uh experiences from age four to six

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and I would see entities in my room when

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that that uh that stopped around the age

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of eight

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and then in 1977 when I was 22 years old

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I was on active duty and my guy I worked

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with I was an EMT of medic work in the

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emergency room at Whiteman Air Force

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we decided to take a long weekend and go

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camping neither one of us were both City

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kids I grew up in St Louis he grew up in

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Flint Michigan neither one of us had

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ever been camping in our lives and we

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had this crazy idea to go camping and uh

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it almost became an obsession it was

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just an odd an odd event

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and we packed up the car and we drove to

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Devil's Den State Park which is just on

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the other side of the Missouri border uh

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Devil's Den State Park is a state park

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on the west side of the main road that

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cuts through and then on the right side

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there's the Ozark National Forest

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so uh we uh we went into the park but we

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dodged the ranger station the kiosk we

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didn't get a camping permit we drove

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until we found a room you know a chain

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across the road with a sternly worded

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keep up do not enter sign and we uh

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that's where we decided we wanted to go

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and we want to find our own campsite we

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did we didn't want to be in the

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campground with somebody to the right of

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us somebody to the left of us

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and we found uh an elevated I call it a

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um it's on Google Earth and it's it's uh

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actually triangular shape when you look

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and it is about the same height the top

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of it was a level with the surrounding

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Treetops and someone had clear-cut that

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so it was just grass growing there was

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no trees on top of it

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and it was gorgeous great place to Camp

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so we set up our Campground there and we

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were you know far enough away from

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everybody well we didn't have to worry

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about being bothered and

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uh we did all the fun stuff you do when

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you go camping and it was all new to us

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so yeah it was a good time

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and that evening we're sitting around

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the campfire and we're just just talking

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taking it easy and um I noticed and this

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sounds cliche I know but I swear to God

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it's true that the forest went quiet

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I mean you know there there are crickets

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and tree frogs and all kinds of things

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in the woods that make noise at night

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and that all fell silent yeah it was

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dead quiet and not only was it quiet it

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was still you know we had a little

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breeze going and that even died out

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and it kind of unnerved me

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and I asked my friend you know hey man

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is this is this normal

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you know like he's gonna know and

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he's like yeah don't worry about don't

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worry about the bugs the bugs will come

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back no big deal don't worry about it

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nothing to be uh concerned about

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and we carried on our conversation and

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he asked me says Terry were those lights

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over there were there were those there

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and I turned my head and looked and

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there were three little stars sitting in

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a tight triangle on the horizon

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and they weren't there before uh they

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were too bright to have been stars and

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they were too far off the um the Horizon

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to have been lights from a train or a

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parking lot or something since we were

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really in a remote area

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and uh while we watched these things

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first they rotated they turned about 120

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degrees and they aligned the base of the

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triangle parallel with the horizon

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and then the things started to go up

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into the air

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and this is the point where we

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experienced a weird kind of sedation

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you know our our emotions were muted to

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what we were seeing we should have been

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agitated or freaked out or you know

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seeking validation from one another you

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saying what I'm saying uh and there was

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none of that

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uh I didn't experience any fear

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um I felt kind of removed from it like

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like I was a third party Observer rather

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than a participant what was going on

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and we watched this thing climb into the

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sky and uh it changed its um orientation

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and turned on its side

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with uh there were lights on on each tip

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of the triangle and it turned on its

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side so it was the apex of the triangle

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was aimed in our Direction

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and then it started a Glide plane down

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toward us and both of us are just in

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this semi-sedated uh state

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and while we watched this thing did this

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tumbling maneuver and uh

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I don't know where it came from but I

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had the thought in my mind that that's

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that it's doing this maneuver it's doing

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this tumbling to let us know that it's

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moving with intent and that it's it

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um that that was the feeling I got

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it parked about three thousand feet over

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our heads

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and um shined a uh a laser beam down

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from the center of the thing that kind

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of danced around the campsite

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um and I'll cut through most of the to

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kind of get to the chase here and uh

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suddenly I I went from that sedated

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feeling

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um sleepy

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and all I wanted to do was lay down and

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go to sleep and you know there's a

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difference between

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you know being tired and being sleepy

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and suddenly I was sleepy and all I

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wanted to do was go in that tent and lay

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my head down

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uh and that's what we did and the second

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we did we were both we were out

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and uh that's when that's when they took

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us and

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we uh I woke up to some flashing lights

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outside my tent through the camp our

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tent through the canvas of the tent

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and that was the points of light on this

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triangle it had descended from three

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thousand feet down to about 30 feet over

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the floor of this metal I call it

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and we um we saw

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little gray little gray guys thought the

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ubiquitous little little Grace

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um

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maybe a dozen maybe 15 walking around

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the middle paired up into twos and

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threes

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um

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and then the light source came down from

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the center of this thing

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and these little guys would step into it

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in pairs and threes and then they would

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just dissolved it would just pixel laid

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out and we watched until the last two

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pixelated out and we're gone and then

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this thing took off and it didn't take

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off like a rocket ship it just like

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lifted off like a hot air balloon and

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the higher it got the uh the faster it

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went and it was gone

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and um that that was the in a nutshell

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that was our 19 my 1977 event and that

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was a life-changing event for me uh and

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and from my friend Toby

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um we both suffered uh really severe

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dehydration we had some Burns all over

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our body like a severe sunburn but we

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never blistered

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um and we went back to the Air Force

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Base six and a half hour drive north

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got back and we were sick enough we both

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had to go to the emergency room which

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was kind of an embarrassment because

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that's where we worked all the people

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that worked there were our friends and

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you know

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and we were treated well and we were we

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were genuinely very ill and uh I was

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hospital we were both hospitalized for

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three days and the while I was in the

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hospital bed the uh Air Force's Security

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Police has an investigative branch

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called the The OSI or the office of

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special investigations

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it's like OSI is to the Air Force what

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NCIS is to the Navy

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and uh two OSI agents came into my room

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and uh interrogated me and wanted to

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know what we were doing down there and

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uh

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said that we were on federal property

362
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and I thought well that's fun we weren't

363
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enough and we were in a state park

364
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um what's interesting is when I wrote

365
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Devil's Den that book and in 2017 I did

366
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a little research and um

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that that elevated Plateau that has not

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even in the state park that's on a strip

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of federal land that's owned by the

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Bureau of Land Management

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so he was truthful when he said we were

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on federal property

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uh when we left we just jumped in the

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car jumped in my car and we got out of

375
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there and we left a tent we left my

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friend's backpack it's cooler we left

377
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everything we just wanted to get out of

378
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there with our lives and

379
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um from Toby's address in the backpack

380
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we both lived on base in NCO housing

381
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they were able the park rangers were

382
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able to track us down and that's how the

383
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Air Force knew we were down there and uh

384
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they thought we had some kind of

385
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campsite set up with the intent on

386
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returning and uh

387
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I think the real object of that exercise

388
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was uh

389
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they wanted to know if we had any

390
00:17:02,449 --> 00:17:00,660
pictures of this thing they knew what we

391
00:17:04,370 --> 00:17:02,459
saw there's no doubt in my mind they

392
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knew

393
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um in that interrogation one of the OSI

394
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agents got down next to my ear and said

395
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I know and you know what you two

396
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knucklehead stumbled onto when you were

397
00:17:18,590 --> 00:17:17,040
when you were down there what I want to

398
00:17:21,650 --> 00:17:18,600
know is how many pictures did you take

399
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how many pictures of it do you have

400
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and I said sorry I never took a single

401
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picture which was true you know the even

402
00:17:29,330 --> 00:17:27,360
though I was kind of an amateur

403
00:17:30,830 --> 00:17:29,340
photographer the thought of taking a

404
00:17:34,010 --> 00:17:30,840
picture of this thing never crossed my

405
00:17:36,590 --> 00:17:34,020
mind and and I don't understand that but

406
00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:36,600
but that's the truth

407
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um so I don't know how the Air Force

408
00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:39,720
knew

409
00:17:45,470 --> 00:17:43,740
and uh

410
00:17:47,270 --> 00:17:45,480
that uh

411
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that that changed kind of the whole

412
00:17:50,390 --> 00:17:49,620
trajectory in my life

413
00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:50,400
um

414
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I came away from this event

415
00:17:57,350 --> 00:17:54,240
um

416
00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:57,360
changed in some ways uh

417
00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:00,480
I had difficulty processing it at first

418
00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:02,880
I admit to that

419
00:18:07,970 --> 00:18:06,000
um but I also was I don't know if it was

420
00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:07,980
intentional or unintentional but I left

421
00:18:12,909 --> 00:18:10,080
there with the gift of

422
00:18:15,470 --> 00:18:12,919
I call it heightened intuition

423
00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:15,480
and there are times my intuition can be

424
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through the roof and I've never I never

425
00:18:23,630 --> 00:18:19,860
had that prior to this event

426
00:18:25,490 --> 00:18:23,640
so I think it's tied somehow to that

427
00:18:27,370 --> 00:18:25,500
event and what happened to us

428
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so

429
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and then in a nutshell is the substance

430
00:18:36,190 --> 00:18:33,900
and content in uh book number one

431
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incident at Devil's Den

432
00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:39,660
in 2020 I wrote the second book

433
00:18:44,090 --> 00:18:41,280
which um

434
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:44,100
I wanted to tell a little bit about

435
00:18:46,850 --> 00:18:44,880
um

436
00:18:52,010 --> 00:18:46,860
a little bit more about my interaction

437
00:18:52,970 --> 00:18:52,020
with an entity that I refer to as Betty

438
00:18:55,250 --> 00:18:52,980
um

439
00:18:57,350 --> 00:18:55,260
when I was between four and six years

440
00:19:01,490 --> 00:18:57,360
old

441
00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:01,500
they would take me sometimes and I would

442
00:19:06,890 --> 00:19:04,799
be in this big white toned room

443
00:19:08,270 --> 00:19:06,900
with a bunch of other kids I didn't know

444
00:19:10,490 --> 00:19:08,280
from the neighborhood I don't know where

445
00:19:12,169 --> 00:19:10,500
they came from but we all played

446
00:19:15,470 --> 00:19:12,179
together

447
00:19:19,430 --> 00:19:15,480
and there was a

448
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:19,440
like a petite uh Asian woman there

449
00:19:25,070 --> 00:19:22,320
and we all called her Sue at the time we

450
00:19:27,230 --> 00:19:25,080
called her Sue because she reminded well

451
00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:27,240
she reminded me of the lady that lived

452
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:30,240
in back of us who we all called Sue

453
00:19:34,909 --> 00:19:32,400
um who's Japanese

454
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:34,919
and um

455
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:38,880
so we called her Sue and uh I think that

456
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:42,000
uh Sue and Betty are the same entity

457
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:44,640
they're they're one in the same

458
00:19:47,810 --> 00:19:45,360
um

459
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:47,820
and Betty came to visit me shortly

460
00:19:55,010 --> 00:19:51,360
before I published my first book

461
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:55,020
and that was um

462
00:20:01,070 --> 00:19:58,799
that was uh an experience I uh I woke up

463
00:20:04,130 --> 00:20:01,080
in my living room

464
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:04,140
and at 2 30 in the morning

465
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:06,720
and I didn't have never sleepwalked in

466
00:20:11,450 --> 00:20:09,360
my life but I simply woke up in my chair

467
00:20:14,690 --> 00:20:11,460
and I'm in my living room

468
00:20:16,130 --> 00:20:14,700
and uh it shocked me and I was surprised

469
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:16,140
I'm like

470
00:20:20,570 --> 00:20:18,000
trying to figure this out I look over I

471
00:20:23,570 --> 00:20:20,580
glanced the alarms are all set the cat

472
00:20:25,970 --> 00:20:23,580
is all relaxed and seated across from me

473
00:20:29,150 --> 00:20:25,980
was a woman dressed in black

474
00:20:34,510 --> 00:20:29,160
uh about a little over four foot in

475
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height uh wearing uh like a black knit

476
00:20:40,909 --> 00:20:37,559
blouse black slacks that kind of flared

477
00:20:43,070 --> 00:20:40,919
at the leg at the ankles and uh like

478
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:43,080
sturdy black nursing shoes they had kind

479
00:20:47,930 --> 00:20:45,120
of a high heel I think to compensate for

480
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her short stature

481
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um

482
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Black sunglasses that hit her eyes

483
00:21:00,830 --> 00:20:58,799
and she also wore an ill-fitted wig

484
00:21:02,750 --> 00:21:00,840
a black wig

485
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:02,760
that was kind of sitting kind of a skew

486
00:21:07,010 --> 00:21:04,559
on top of her head

487
00:21:09,230 --> 00:21:07,020
and uh

488
00:21:11,870 --> 00:21:09,240
my first thought was

489
00:21:14,450 --> 00:21:11,880
uh I had again I had no Panic I had no

490
00:21:18,830 --> 00:21:14,460
fear I had that same relaxed almost

491
00:21:21,770 --> 00:21:18,840
semi-sedated feeling that I had in 1977.

492
00:21:23,390 --> 00:21:21,780
and my first thought was you know my God

493
00:21:26,150 --> 00:21:23,400
I wish you'd take those glasses off

494
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because I wanted to see your eyes

495
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:26,880
um

496
00:21:31,850 --> 00:21:29,280
and her eyes were were black they

497
00:21:34,370 --> 00:21:31,860
weren't enormous they were about the

498
00:21:37,730 --> 00:21:34,380
size of a pair of wrap-around Ray-Bans

499
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:37,740
uh but they were totally black

500
00:21:42,110 --> 00:21:39,840
you know other than that

501
00:21:44,690 --> 00:21:42,120
and the fact that the back of her head

502
00:21:47,930 --> 00:21:44,700
was bulbous that's why this wig didn't

503
00:21:50,450 --> 00:21:47,940
fit properly and uh

504
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:50,460
uh I mean she walked down the streets of

505
00:21:53,630 --> 00:21:52,080
Dallas and probably not get a second

506
00:21:56,450 --> 00:21:53,640
look

507
00:21:58,370 --> 00:21:56,460
um but when she took off the glasses and

508
00:22:01,549 --> 00:21:58,380
I immediately recognized her as being

509
00:22:04,190 --> 00:22:01,559
that entity from when I was a kid

510
00:22:08,029 --> 00:22:04,200
um back in St Louis

511
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:08,039
and I felt this odd affection for her

512
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:11,520
um not in a romantic way in a

513
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:14,159
kind of a maternal way

514
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:15,120
um

515
00:22:21,770 --> 00:22:17,840
and I said it's good to see you again

516
00:22:25,850 --> 00:22:21,780
and she said Terry it's good to see you

517
00:22:27,890 --> 00:22:25,860
and we had a telepathic conversation

518
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,900
and that's when I remembered that's how

519
00:22:32,990 --> 00:22:29,760
we that's how we communicated when they

520
00:22:35,870 --> 00:22:33,000
used to take me when I was a little kid

521
00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:35,880
and I had I've had so many people email

522
00:22:39,649 --> 00:22:36,780
me

523
00:22:41,570 --> 00:22:39,659
uh who read that the first book uh

524
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:41,580
they've emailed me to say you know I

525
00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:43,679
read your book and it reminded me you

526
00:22:47,210 --> 00:22:46,020
know I had a very similar experience and

527
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:47,220
they go on and they tell me these

528
00:22:50,570 --> 00:22:48,960
amazing stories about their own their

529
00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:50,580
own experience

530
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:52,380
and uh

531
00:22:57,529 --> 00:22:54,720
that was really that was really the

532
00:22:59,630 --> 00:22:57,539
Catalyst to write the second book I had

533
00:23:03,290 --> 00:22:59,640
some things I wanted to clear up

534
00:23:06,049 --> 00:23:03,300
from the first book but I had

535
00:23:08,330 --> 00:23:06,059
[Music]

536
00:23:10,730 --> 00:23:08,340
out of the well at the time it was about

537
00:23:13,730 --> 00:23:10,740
2 800 people that had emailed me and

538
00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:13,740
sent me stories and I took about 400 of

539
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,140
the very best stories that were sent to

540
00:23:20,450 --> 00:23:18,720
me stories about all kinds of things but

541
00:23:22,850 --> 00:23:20,460
mostly about dealing with UFOs and

542
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:22,860
abductions and the like

543
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:25,679
and I kind of uh distilled those down to

544
00:23:29,690 --> 00:23:27,600
about 50 of the best

545
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:29,700
and then from those finally called it

546
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:33,120
down to just 25 and I put those 25 I

547
00:23:38,990 --> 00:23:35,760
call them cases I put those 25 stories

548
00:23:41,090 --> 00:23:39,000
in in this book in the second book uh

549
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:41,100
Devil's down the Reckoning

550
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:42,960
and I um

551
00:23:47,570 --> 00:23:45,840
uh I tell these I tell if these Amaze

552
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:47,580
these these people mailed me the most

553
00:23:52,669 --> 00:23:50,400
amazing Stories and uh I'll just I'll

554
00:23:56,090 --> 00:23:52,679
just give you a couple of examples and

555
00:23:58,370 --> 00:23:56,100
we'll go through some of these sure um

556
00:24:01,250 --> 00:23:58,380
the first case is called The Christmas

557
00:24:03,710 --> 00:24:01,260
Store and this was an 86 year old woman

558
00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:03,720
from Henderson Nevada

559
00:24:10,130 --> 00:24:08,580
who emailed me and uh told me that she

560
00:24:11,930 --> 00:24:10,140
had an experience that she's never

561
00:24:12,830 --> 00:24:11,940
shared with another human being in her

562
00:24:16,250 --> 00:24:12,840
life

563
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,260
but she wanted to share it with me and I

564
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,960
thought what a privilege that is

565
00:24:22,190 --> 00:24:19,919
um

566
00:24:23,690 --> 00:24:22,200
so we exchanged a few emails and finally

567
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,700
I said you know can we just talk by

568
00:24:27,770 --> 00:24:25,440
phone this is kind of cumbersome and she

569
00:24:30,289 --> 00:24:27,780
said yeah I prefer that too so I spoke

570
00:24:32,510 --> 00:24:30,299
with her by phone and I can tell you she

571
00:24:35,810 --> 00:24:32,520
was cognitively intact this woman was

572
00:24:39,409 --> 00:24:35,820
not uh had no signs of dementia or any

573
00:24:41,390 --> 00:24:39,419
age related cognitive illness she was as

574
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:41,400
sharp as she could be

575
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,640
and she said that in 1966

576
00:24:50,510 --> 00:24:46,799
she and she was newly married to her

577
00:24:52,490 --> 00:24:50,520
husband in um who was a nephrologist a

578
00:24:54,289 --> 00:24:52,500
kidney doctor and and they were married

579
00:24:55,490 --> 00:24:54,299
and they were residing in Las Vegas

580
00:24:58,610 --> 00:24:55,500
Nevada

581
00:25:00,830 --> 00:24:58,620
and they had family they both had family

582
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:00,840
and friends in Reno

583
00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:03,360
and once a month he'd get a four day

584
00:25:07,610 --> 00:25:05,220
weekend because you know doctors they

585
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:07,620
work 60 70 hours a week well to

586
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:09,120
compensate for that he'd get a four day

587
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:10,559
weekend every month

588
00:25:15,649 --> 00:25:13,919
and they would make the drive to Reno

589
00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:15,659
and uh

590
00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:18,059
the uh

591
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:20,580
I forget how long she told me the drive

592
00:25:22,490 --> 00:25:21,690
was

593
00:25:23,330 --> 00:25:22,500
[Music]

594
00:25:25,930 --> 00:25:23,340
um

595
00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:25,940
but they would stop at the halfway point

596
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:29,460
and there was a um again like a truck

597
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:31,140
stop there

598
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:34,080
and it was called the stagecoach

599
00:25:36,649 --> 00:25:35,460
at that time it was called the

600
00:25:38,750 --> 00:25:36,659
stagecoach

601
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,760
and they would get gas there and they'd

602
00:25:42,649 --> 00:25:40,559
have a meal there and then finish the

603
00:25:45,890 --> 00:25:42,659
last leg of their of their trip so they

604
00:25:49,549 --> 00:25:45,900
get to their hotel in in Reno

605
00:25:52,130 --> 00:25:49,559
and I had some I had a a reader from uh

606
00:25:55,789 --> 00:25:52,140
Los Angeles Pardon Las Vegas

607
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,799
email me and say it's still there it is

608
00:25:59,630 --> 00:25:57,600
still there well it's not called the

609
00:26:01,370 --> 00:25:59,640
stagecoach anymore now it's called the

610
00:26:03,470 --> 00:26:01,380
station

611
00:26:05,149 --> 00:26:03,480
um but yeah so it's it's still there

612
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:05,159
sole place

613
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,820
so they uh they finished their meal they

614
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,799
had I asked her they had no alcohol to

615
00:26:15,769 --> 00:26:12,240
drink

616
00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:15,779
um they got in their car they got back

617
00:26:19,549 --> 00:26:17,400
on the road

618
00:26:21,049 --> 00:26:19,559
and they started driving

619
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:21,059
headed north

620
00:26:25,070 --> 00:26:23,039
and just kind of engaging into usual

621
00:26:26,750 --> 00:26:25,080
conversation this was a time for them to

622
00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:26,760
catch up on everything that's happened

623
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,860
to them in the past week and say

624
00:26:32,990 --> 00:26:31,200
you know the the hours that he worked

625
00:26:34,669 --> 00:26:33,000
were just insane

626
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,679
and uh

627
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:37,200
they they crested a hill and often a

628
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:40,799
distance ahead of them was this building

629
00:26:47,090 --> 00:26:44,159
that was covered with Christmas lights

630
00:26:50,990 --> 00:26:47,100
and I think this was March it wasn't the

631
00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:51,000
Christmas season it was March and uh

632
00:26:54,529 --> 00:26:52,860
she said I saw this place it was lit up

633
00:26:55,970 --> 00:26:54,539
like crazy and I thought you know well

634
00:26:58,130 --> 00:26:55,980
what is this

635
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,140
and um

636
00:27:01,789 --> 00:27:00,240
she asked her husband she said Paul pull

637
00:27:05,289 --> 00:27:01,799
over I want to see I want to look at

638
00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:05,299
this place and he pulled off the highway

639
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:07,980
I say Highway it was really two-lane

640
00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:10,320
blacktop Road

641
00:27:14,930 --> 00:27:11,940
um pulled off on the shoulder of the

642
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:14,940
road and here was this building

643
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:17,279
uh not a huge building about the size of

644
00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:19,919
an average McDonald's

645
00:27:26,510 --> 00:27:22,620
um and it's interesting he remembered it

646
00:27:30,169 --> 00:27:26,520
being made uh of red brick and she

647
00:27:33,409 --> 00:27:30,179
remembers it being made of barn wood

648
00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:33,419
um it had kind of an overhang and uh

649
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:35,700
like a front porch to it

650
00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:41,279
and there were a large and uh

651
00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:43,260
in large font

652
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:46,980
Banner Style on top of the store was a

653
00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:49,980
sign that said The Christmas Store all

654
00:27:53,450 --> 00:27:51,960
in green

655
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,460
and um

656
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:55,440
she says it really shocked her because

657
00:27:59,870 --> 00:27:58,320
this was 1966 and she said it was the

658
00:28:00,890 --> 00:27:59,880
first time in her life she'd ever seen a

659
00:28:02,990 --> 00:28:00,900
storm

660
00:28:04,909 --> 00:28:03,000
devoted solely to the holiday of

661
00:28:06,529 --> 00:28:04,919
Christmas

662
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:06,539
and uh

663
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:09,120
she said they they both it it just kind

664
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,799
of Drew them in they got they got their

665
00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:12,000
attention

666
00:28:17,149 --> 00:28:14,400
and they're the inside of the place was

667
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,159
lit up like crazy just insanely lit up

668
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:19,440
it was she said it was like they had a

669
00:28:24,409 --> 00:28:22,799
dozen 100 watt light bulbs and lamps you

670
00:28:26,090 --> 00:28:24,419
know all over the place inside this

671
00:28:27,470 --> 00:28:26,100
building light was just pouring out of

672
00:28:29,930 --> 00:28:27,480
it

673
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,940
and she said she noticed that she told

674
00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:32,159
her husband she said pull in

675
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:35,100
and uh he had the car and park and he

676
00:28:39,169 --> 00:28:37,559
says where do I pull in too

677
00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:39,179
and they look closely and there was no

678
00:28:45,649 --> 00:28:42,600
parking pot the store was sitting on

679
00:28:48,350 --> 00:28:45,659
Sand and sagebrush

680
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:48,360
and there were there was no entrance to

681
00:28:51,409 --> 00:28:49,679
it

682
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:51,419
and um

683
00:28:58,250 --> 00:28:55,440
she said they both kind of uh

684
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,260
had just a moment or two of she called

685
00:29:02,750 --> 00:29:00,000
it zoned out

686
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:02,760
uh you know I asked her I said you know

687
00:29:07,549 --> 00:29:05,279
do you think you had missing time do you

688
00:29:09,470 --> 00:29:07,559
think that something happened that you

689
00:29:11,090 --> 00:29:09,480
can't remember

690
00:29:13,010 --> 00:29:11,100
and she says well I don't know how how

691
00:29:15,049 --> 00:29:13,020
would I know if that did happen to me

692
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:15,059
yeah that's that's every bit of valid

693
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,710
um anyway her husband Paul said well

694
00:29:25,070 --> 00:29:23,520
this this is silly this place obviously

695
00:29:27,169 --> 00:29:25,080
isn't open for business they must be

696
00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:27,179
working on it or something

697
00:29:31,789 --> 00:29:29,580
uh and there were there were no cars no

698
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:31,799
no construction trucks no Vans nothing

699
00:29:37,250 --> 00:29:34,320
it was just sitting there

700
00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:37,260
and uh he got back on the highway and

701
00:29:41,570 --> 00:29:38,820
they continued North

702
00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:41,580
and they got to their hotel room

703
00:29:47,389 --> 00:29:44,700
and they were their normal routine was

704
00:29:50,810 --> 00:29:47,399
to go to the bar and have a drink and uh

705
00:29:52,090 --> 00:29:50,820
before going to bed and they were both

706
00:29:54,769 --> 00:29:52,100
um

707
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:54,779
uncharacteristically exhausted

708
00:30:00,350 --> 00:29:57,200
you know they just wanted to go to bed

709
00:30:03,769 --> 00:30:00,360
and uh They Carried their stuff up they

710
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:03,779
didn't bother to unpack uh and uh I

711
00:30:07,130 --> 00:30:04,799
think she said they didn't bother to

712
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:07,140
undress they laid down on the bed and

713
00:30:12,409 --> 00:30:10,320
both fell asleep like boom they were out

714
00:30:14,510 --> 00:30:12,419
uh she's I asked her did you have any

715
00:30:17,570 --> 00:30:14,520
weird dreams anything odd happened to

716
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:17,580
you and she says no it just I I got a

717
00:30:22,909 --> 00:30:20,880
really good deep sleep and uh

718
00:30:25,250 --> 00:30:22,919
she said that they were usually up by 7

719
00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:25,260
A.M in the morning and they 10 o'clock

720
00:30:27,649 --> 00:30:26,580
in the morning their phone's ringing

721
00:30:30,409 --> 00:30:27,659
because their friends were trying to

722
00:30:31,850 --> 00:30:30,419
figure out where they're at

723
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,860
so they get up and they really didn't

724
00:30:35,389 --> 00:30:33,840
talk about it and they didn't talk about

725
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,399
it the whole weekend they had a nice

726
00:30:39,289 --> 00:30:37,679
long weekend with their friends

727
00:30:41,450 --> 00:30:39,299
and um

728
00:30:43,610 --> 00:30:41,460
they pack up and they're heading back to

729
00:30:45,169 --> 00:30:43,620
Las Vegas Leaving Reno

730
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:45,179
and uh

731
00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:48,000
both of them were thinking about it and

732
00:30:53,810 --> 00:30:52,260
finally he says to her uh he says why

733
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,820
don't we stop at that stupid Christmas

734
00:30:57,470 --> 00:30:55,440
store

735
00:30:59,149 --> 00:30:57,480
and she says yeah I was going to ask you

736
00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:59,159
to do that let's do that I'm just

737
00:31:04,669 --> 00:31:02,399
curious what what it is

738
00:31:08,269 --> 00:31:04,679
so they drove back and they got close to

739
00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:08,279
the stagecoach and um

740
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:10,260
there was no Christmas store

741
00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:12,000
there was nothing

742
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,740
and he's like you know where was this

743
00:31:17,930 --> 00:31:15,360
thing I'm sure it was right here and

744
00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:17,940
she's like yeah it wasn't it wasn't more

745
00:31:25,850 --> 00:31:22,440
than four miles north of the stagecoach

746
00:31:28,370 --> 00:31:25,860
so they went past it they turned around

747
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,380
they went back again and then came back

748
00:31:32,510 --> 00:31:30,960
around the second time and it just was

749
00:31:35,330 --> 00:31:32,520
not there

750
00:31:38,570 --> 00:31:35,340
so they went they had they had a a lunch

751
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:38,580
at the stagecoach and they asked uh

752
00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:39,360
the

753
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:39,960
um

754
00:31:45,169 --> 00:31:42,000
the waitress they were they were known

755
00:31:47,389 --> 00:31:45,179
there you know hey when did uh

756
00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:47,399
when did the city put in a Christmas

757
00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:51,480
store when did uh when did that uh when

758
00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:53,640
did they start building that

759
00:31:56,450 --> 00:31:55,140
and she says I don't know what you're

760
00:31:59,690 --> 00:31:56,460
talking about

761
00:32:01,310 --> 00:31:59,700
and she says yeah when we left uh you

762
00:32:03,950 --> 00:32:01,320
know on Friday night we drove North

763
00:32:06,409 --> 00:32:03,960
headed to Reno and we saw the store that

764
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:06,419
was lit up like crazy and it said

765
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:08,940
Christmas on top of it and it was a

766
00:32:14,029 --> 00:32:10,559
Christmas store

767
00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:14,039
and uh she says you know lady I don't

768
00:32:17,510 --> 00:32:15,480
know what you're talking about there are

769
00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:17,520
there are no new businesses

770
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:18,840
um certainly there's not a Christmas

771
00:32:22,370 --> 00:32:19,919
store

772
00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:22,380
and um

773
00:32:27,649 --> 00:32:26,100
and uh that was it they left and uh

774
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,659
they said well you know we're just going

775
00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:29,039
to forget about it well you know what

776
00:32:35,389 --> 00:32:32,820
they couldn't forget about it uh and um

777
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:35,399
he refused to talk about it which is

778
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,960
actually pretty common lots of times

779
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,640
when two people share this weird

780
00:32:41,870 --> 00:32:40,320
experience

781
00:32:43,010 --> 00:32:41,880
that you know probably the weirdest

782
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:43,020
experience one of the weirdest

783
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,640
experiences they have in their lifetime

784
00:32:48,610 --> 00:32:46,799
they see something in the sky they have

785
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:48,620
contact with something that's not human

786
00:32:53,630 --> 00:32:51,600
uh after the event they're reticent to

787
00:32:55,250 --> 00:32:53,640
talk about it and they're just they both

788
00:32:57,889 --> 00:32:55,260
just

789
00:32:59,870 --> 00:32:57,899
don't want to talk about it

790
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,880
so she said that her husband had

791
00:33:04,250 --> 00:33:01,919
nightmares about it

792
00:33:06,830 --> 00:33:04,260
uh she didn't have nightmares but she

793
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,840
had this these odd dream

794
00:33:11,570 --> 00:33:08,640
that um

795
00:33:13,009 --> 00:33:11,580
that uh they were back and she just it

796
00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:13,019
just goes through the motion like on a

797
00:33:17,570 --> 00:33:14,820
loop that they leave the stagecoach they

798
00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:17,580
drive past it she looks at it and they

799
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:20,820
pull in and that's when the dream ends

800
00:33:26,029 --> 00:33:23,519
and I asked her uh

801
00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:26,039
I said do you think that you could have

802
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:28,980
been objective is it possible that

803
00:33:34,669 --> 00:33:32,399
they came and and and took you

804
00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:34,679
and she says oh that's silly

805
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:37,260
and then there's Applause

806
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:39,120
and she says you know I really don't

807
00:33:45,889 --> 00:33:40,320
know

808
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:45,899
um her husband was deceased

809
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:48,000
unfortunately I'd like to have heard his

810
00:33:50,330 --> 00:33:49,679
story

811
00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:50,340
um

812
00:33:55,310 --> 00:33:52,740
and she said over the years she's kicked

813
00:33:57,950 --> 00:33:55,320
herself for not uh for the two of them

814
00:33:59,389 --> 00:33:57,960
not talking about it and she said it'd

815
00:34:01,850 --> 00:33:59,399
been interesting since they both saw

816
00:34:03,769 --> 00:34:01,860
something a little bit different each of

817
00:34:05,450 --> 00:34:03,779
them independently draw a picture of

818
00:34:07,490 --> 00:34:05,460
what what they saw

819
00:34:10,849 --> 00:34:07,500
and compare them

820
00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:10,859
so um the the end of the story was I

821
00:34:14,570 --> 00:34:12,540
said well at the end of the day what is

822
00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:14,580
it you think you saw and she said I

823
00:34:20,570 --> 00:34:17,220
think it was a spaceship

824
00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:20,580
so uh there you go and I uh

825
00:34:25,970 --> 00:34:21,960
I said

826
00:34:28,369 --> 00:34:25,980
You Olivia for sharing your story with

827
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,379
me and um

828
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:30,720
she says you believe me don't you

829
00:34:35,629 --> 00:34:33,599
and I said you know Olivia I'm not here

830
00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:35,639
to judge the validity of anyone's story

831
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:40,020
that uh you certainly sound honest to me

832
00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:43,440
and she says well you know I'm uh 86

833
00:34:48,050 --> 00:34:45,720
years old and she says 86 year old women

834
00:34:49,970 --> 00:34:48,060
don't make up fairy tales

835
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:49,980
she says I promise I'm telling you the

836
00:34:55,310 --> 00:34:53,280
truth and and I believed her that's part

837
00:34:59,450 --> 00:34:55,320
of the reason she's number one in this

838
00:35:01,329 --> 00:34:59,460
list of cases that I put in here

839
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:01,339
um

840
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,200
can I interrupt I'm sorry if I wanted to

841
00:35:09,290 --> 00:35:06,960
um ask you a question just because you

842
00:35:12,170 --> 00:35:09,300
left me curious regarding your own

843
00:35:14,569 --> 00:35:12,180
experiences there uh is there any any

844
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,579
more you could possibly share

845
00:35:18,410 --> 00:35:16,320
um if you remember anything specifically

846
00:35:29,230 --> 00:35:18,420
that was happening to you and your buddy

847
00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:32,030
and uh I felt like I was kind of

848
00:35:35,329 --> 00:35:33,660
short-changing the story to be honest

849
00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:35,339
with you because there was so much that

850
00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:37,260
happened that night

851
00:35:43,069 --> 00:35:40,920
um and you know I I I admit that I can

852
00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:43,079
get talking I can I can talk about this

853
00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:44,820
because it takes about four hours to

854
00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:46,380
tell the full story and everything that

855
00:35:49,790 --> 00:35:47,820
happened

856
00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:49,800
um but I'll condense it down and try to

857
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,740
hit the highlights for you

858
00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:54,240
um yeah we're not we're not in a hurry

859
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:56,040
whatever you feel comfortable with

860
00:36:02,450 --> 00:35:59,520
okay okay that's great for that yeah we

861
00:36:07,609 --> 00:36:04,670
I think I left off where we were both in

862
00:36:09,650 --> 00:36:07,619
the hospital they had separated us

863
00:36:11,329 --> 00:36:09,660
and um

864
00:36:14,210 --> 00:36:11,339
we were told

865
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,220
I had the hospital Commander the base

866
00:36:18,589 --> 00:36:16,560
commander and some gang civilian clothes

867
00:36:20,810 --> 00:36:18,599
I didn't know

868
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:20,820
um came in and talked to me when I was

869
00:36:25,790 --> 00:36:22,740
in the treatment room

870
00:36:28,190 --> 00:36:25,800
and uh

871
00:36:30,530 --> 00:36:28,200
the the hospital Commander spoke very

872
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,540
formally I mean I knew the guy there was

873
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,400
that officer enlisted man distinction

874
00:36:35,089 --> 00:36:34,079
still

875
00:36:36,770 --> 00:36:35,099
um

876
00:36:38,510 --> 00:36:36,780
but he was very formal and he said

877
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:38,520
Sergeant lovely sure to have no contact

878
00:36:44,030 --> 00:36:41,760
with senior Airman Tobias not verbally

879
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,040
not in writing not by telephone not

880
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,839
through a third party you're gonna have

881
00:36:49,609 --> 00:36:47,760
to send him anything in writing you're

882
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:49,619
not to send him anything you're not to

883
00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:51,359
accept anything he might try to give to

884
00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:53,640
you if you're into Base Exchange and the

885
00:36:57,230 --> 00:36:55,380
two of you run into each other and the

886
00:37:00,589 --> 00:36:57,240
Frozen uh

887
00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:00,599
uh peas aisle you know you turn around

888
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,420
and walk away immediately he says no

889
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,000
contact means no contact and if you

890
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,400
violate this order uh there will be

891
00:37:14,569 --> 00:37:10,320
consequences you know do you understand

892
00:37:16,910 --> 00:37:14,579
Sergeant Robles and I said yes sir I do

893
00:37:20,270 --> 00:37:16,920
and I didn't really understand of course

894
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:20,280
none of this made any sense

895
00:37:25,370 --> 00:37:22,380
um but there is a there is a guy named

896
00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:25,380
Robert Hastings he's I think 83 years

897
00:37:29,150 --> 00:37:26,520
old now

898
00:37:30,650 --> 00:37:29,160
but he wrote a great book called UFOs

899
00:37:36,050 --> 00:37:30,660
and nukes

900
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:36,060
and for 30 years he made it his um

901
00:37:42,170 --> 00:37:39,900
mission in life to talk to people from

902
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:42,180
look from military installations that

903
00:37:47,690 --> 00:37:44,880
were nuclear Lightman was and still is

904
00:37:51,950 --> 00:37:47,700
nuclear base when I was there they had

905
00:37:55,250 --> 00:37:51,960
Minutemen two missiles ICB and missiles

906
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,260
and they had a squadron of B-52s harmed

907
00:38:00,290 --> 00:37:57,359
with nuclear weapons

908
00:38:00,829 --> 00:38:00,300
so um for some reason

909
00:38:03,530 --> 00:38:00,839
um

910
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:03,540
E.T tends to show up

911
00:38:07,810 --> 00:38:06,960
in these military bases and these even

912
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:07,820
even

913
00:38:12,770 --> 00:38:10,800
facilities uh Power Generation

914
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:12,780
facilities that are that are nuclear

915
00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:17,280
have more than their fair share of uh of

916
00:38:22,670 --> 00:38:19,560
interaction with non-human entities you

917
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:22,680
know things in the sky odd things happen

918
00:38:27,950 --> 00:38:25,680
so you know Robert Hastings told me he

919
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:27,960
said you know this is standard procedure

920
00:38:31,609 --> 00:38:30,240
in the military you know if you got if

921
00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:31,619
you got two guys you know like

922
00:38:34,970 --> 00:38:34,020
yourselves and the two of you see this

923
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:34,980
event

924
00:38:39,410 --> 00:38:37,020
when the two of you get together you can

925
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:39,420
each bolster one another's story

926
00:38:44,329 --> 00:38:42,480
and it's a much more believable story if

927
00:38:46,130 --> 00:38:44,339
you tell it together than if you tell it

928
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,140
separately

929
00:38:51,770 --> 00:38:49,200
so they separated the two of us put me

930
00:38:54,190 --> 00:38:51,780
to work in a supply

931
00:38:58,430 --> 00:38:54,200
at a supply job in a different Squadron

932
00:39:01,370 --> 00:38:58,440
and while they cut Toby orders to Japan

933
00:39:03,710 --> 00:39:01,380
and they had him whom he was he was off

934
00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:03,720
base in four weeks and headed to Japan I

935
00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:07,020
mean they cut his orders at light speed

936
00:39:12,109 --> 00:39:09,720
um and uh Robert Hastings says that's

937
00:39:14,329 --> 00:39:12,119
absolutely and absolutely the way it

938
00:39:16,250 --> 00:39:14,339
works and then I I've had all kinds of

939
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:16,260
people email me come up to me at

940
00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:18,960
conferences and say yeah you know I saw

941
00:39:23,150 --> 00:39:21,240
something and you know there were three

942
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,160
of us there were two of us however many

943
00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:25,200
there were

944
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,700
um I call it the band breaks up

945
00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:29,040
everybody goes in different directions

946
00:39:33,290 --> 00:39:31,079
and um

947
00:39:35,210 --> 00:39:33,300
I might mention two because I think it's

948
00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:35,220
it's important when we're talking about

949
00:39:39,230 --> 00:39:37,560
this these kind of things to look for

950
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,240
commonalities I like to look for

951
00:39:43,550 --> 00:39:41,040
patterns

952
00:39:45,290 --> 00:39:43,560
um I'm kind of a data guy and I like to

953
00:39:47,870 --> 00:39:45,300
keep track of those things and I think

954
00:39:51,310 --> 00:39:47,880
helps me make sense of things

955
00:39:56,930 --> 00:39:51,320
one of the commonalities amongst among

956
00:40:01,550 --> 00:39:59,089
well Toby and I were good friends we

957
00:40:04,010 --> 00:40:01,560
worked together we were both newly

958
00:40:06,589 --> 00:40:04,020
married our wives were friends we would

959
00:40:09,530 --> 00:40:06,599
play cards you know on our days off or

960
00:40:11,690 --> 00:40:09,540
play volleyball or you know do something

961
00:40:13,609 --> 00:40:11,700
together and

962
00:40:15,170 --> 00:40:13,619
um you know we were just we were just

963
00:40:18,349 --> 00:40:15,180
friends

964
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,359
that relationship changed

965
00:40:22,490 --> 00:40:20,400
um I don't know what hell happened to us

966
00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:22,500
on that on that ship

967
00:40:28,190 --> 00:40:25,980
but um that relationship changed

968
00:40:30,050 --> 00:40:28,200
and uh

969
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,060
I couldn't reconcile it then I can't

970
00:40:33,290 --> 00:40:32,160
reconcile it now but I wanted nothing to

971
00:40:36,290 --> 00:40:33,300
do with the guy

972
00:40:38,990 --> 00:40:36,300
and and I don't get that

973
00:40:41,089 --> 00:40:39,000
but um but that that was the takeaway

974
00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:41,099
that's what I had

975
00:40:46,130 --> 00:40:43,320
and uh

976
00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:46,140
I was told not to have any contact with

977
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:47,220
Toby

978
00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:50,640
but I told my wife uh we both have 30

979
00:40:56,450 --> 00:40:52,740
days off duty because we were we were

980
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:56,460
hurt we were sick I had nausea I had we

981
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:59,040
both suffered this thing called uh flash

982
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,960
Burns to the eyes

983
00:41:04,849 --> 00:41:02,400
and

984
00:41:06,410 --> 00:41:04,859
it's the same injury that an arc welder

985
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:06,420
would get if they didn't wear that hood

986
00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:09,440
over their head with the smoke glass

987
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,900
and it's it's basically a sunburn to the

988
00:41:16,310 --> 00:41:14,400
cornea of the eye

989
00:41:18,589 --> 00:41:16,320
and it's very painful feels like you

990
00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:18,599
have like you have sand in your eyes

991
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:20,280
and

992
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,040
it just takes it takes a while to heal

993
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:25,440
and you're very photophobic the lights

994
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:27,119
just

995
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:30,480
hurt your eyes like terribly

996
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:31,440
um

997
00:41:37,069 --> 00:41:33,839
so I'm recovering from that

998
00:41:39,230 --> 00:41:37,079
and uh been off about two weeks

999
00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:39,240
and um

1000
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,160
I told my wife I said I want to stop by

1001
00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:42,960
and say goodbye to Toby

1002
00:41:46,910 --> 00:41:44,520
and she says Dear you know you got

1003
00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:46,920
orders not to do that

1004
00:41:50,930 --> 00:41:48,780
she says you know don't play with these

1005
00:41:52,730 --> 00:41:50,940
people they scare me and I said yeah I

1006
00:41:54,290 --> 00:41:52,740
know they scare me too

1007
00:41:56,569 --> 00:41:54,300
I said I'll tell you the truth I'm not

1008
00:41:58,190 --> 00:41:56,579
really interested in seeing them but I

1009
00:42:00,109 --> 00:41:58,200
feel like I work with this guy for a

1010
00:42:01,970 --> 00:42:00,119
couple of years I feel like I at least

1011
00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:01,980
owe him a handshake and say goodbye good

1012
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:04,020
luck have you know have a good tour in

1013
00:42:06,890 --> 00:42:05,040
Japan

1014
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:06,900
and uh

1015
00:42:13,310 --> 00:42:08,760
and then I'll be done and I really

1016
00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:13,320
thought that mentally that that would uh

1017
00:42:17,390 --> 00:42:15,540
that would give me closure to this thing

1018
00:42:19,010 --> 00:42:17,400
that would somehow kind of neatly wrap

1019
00:42:21,050 --> 00:42:19,020
it up in a package

1020
00:42:24,349 --> 00:42:21,060
and I could put it aside and go on my

1021
00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:24,359
life because uh uh

1022
00:42:27,950 --> 00:42:26,700
I guess both of us were struggling at

1023
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:27,960
the time

1024
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:29,099
um

1025
00:42:32,990 --> 00:42:30,960
and uh

1026
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:33,000
reluctantly she stayed in the car we

1027
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:35,760
pulled over and I ran up to Toby's house

1028
00:42:41,390 --> 00:42:38,400
like I said we both lived in NCO housing

1029
00:42:43,690 --> 00:42:41,400
so we were just about uh six blocks

1030
00:42:46,609 --> 00:42:43,700
apart from one another

1031
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:46,619
so I ran up to the door door I'd been

1032
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,400
through you know a hundred times and I

1033
00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:51,839
did what I always did I knocked three

1034
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,940
times I opened the door because it was

1035
00:42:57,410 --> 00:42:55,680
always unlocked and I yelled hey guys

1036
00:42:59,329 --> 00:42:57,420
it's me

1037
00:42:59,930 --> 00:42:59,339
and I came in

1038
00:43:01,849 --> 00:42:59,940
um

1039
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:01,859
and his wife

1040
00:43:05,809 --> 00:43:04,380
was walked past me she was carrying a

1041
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:05,819
box they were they were packing and

1042
00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:08,400
getting ready to move

1043
00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:10,380
and she just glared at me and said you

1044
00:43:14,089 --> 00:43:12,300
know you're not supposed to be here and

1045
00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:14,099
I said I know I'm not here to confront

1046
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:16,140
anybody I just want to wish you guys

1047
00:43:21,710 --> 00:43:19,440
well and you know shake Toby's hand and

1048
00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:21,720
wish you guys good luck

1049
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:24,660
and um Toby heard me

1050
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,480
uh and he was in the back bedroom he

1051
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:29,280
came around the corner and walked up the

1052
00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:32,220
hallway toward the the uh

1053
00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:37,020
like the entryway to the house and uh I

1054
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,280
was shocked I was shocked by his

1055
00:43:42,290 --> 00:43:40,560
appearance because he was one of these

1056
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,300
guys that you know he always looked good

1057
00:43:46,010 --> 00:43:44,400
his hair was always perfect you know I

1058
00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:46,020
always had

1059
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:48,420
um you know nice clothes he just he

1060
00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:50,160
always looked nice he cared about his

1061
00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:51,660
personal appearance where you know where

1062
00:43:55,609 --> 00:43:54,060
I was kind of a slob he was kind of the

1063
00:43:57,410 --> 00:43:55,619
complete opposite

1064
00:44:00,050 --> 00:43:57,420
and um

1065
00:44:01,730 --> 00:44:00,060
and he looked he looked terrible uh his

1066
00:44:02,329 --> 00:44:01,740
hair was all wonky

1067
00:44:04,010 --> 00:44:02,339
um

1068
00:44:05,870 --> 00:44:04,020
he had a you know like a three-day

1069
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,880
growth of beer which I'd never seen on

1070
00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:07,680
him before

1071
00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:09,180
um now granted I cut him some slack

1072
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:10,980
because they were moving but uh you know

1073
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:13,920
I had a 32 shirt dirty dirty jeans and

1074
00:44:15,770 --> 00:44:15,180
just

1075
00:44:18,410 --> 00:44:15,780
um

1076
00:44:20,089 --> 00:44:18,420
I was just shocked by his appearance

1077
00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:20,099
and I think I was shocked to see him

1078
00:44:25,069 --> 00:44:22,440
again for some reason

1079
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,079
and he walked up to me and I I could see

1080
00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:27,599
that he was uncomfortable too

1081
00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:30,660
and uh I stuck stuck my hand out was

1082
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:32,460
going to shake his hand and he stuck his

1083
00:44:37,690 --> 00:44:35,400
hand out at the same time and we missed

1084
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:37,700
connections and then finally made this

1085
00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:41,280
inelegant kind of handshake and uh

1086
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:43,560
I said yeah I hear you're going to Japan

1087
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:45,240
I just want to wish you guys best of

1088
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:48,960
luck and it's been nice working with you

1089
00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:51,180
and uh

1090
00:44:58,250 --> 00:44:53,940
he I'm six foot even even he's about

1091
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:58,260
five nine uh and he looked up at me and

1092
00:45:00,650 --> 00:44:59,040
um

1093
00:45:02,990 --> 00:45:00,660
well first thing I noticed was he had

1094
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,000
Liquor on his breath and that was very

1095
00:45:07,790 --> 00:45:05,760
out of character for Toby I mean this

1096
00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:07,800
was two o'clock in the afternoon and he

1097
00:45:12,290 --> 00:45:10,140
was not a drinker you know I never knew

1098
00:45:14,569 --> 00:45:12,300
him to drink more than a beer beer and a

1099
00:45:16,910 --> 00:45:14,579
half if we were at some event or playing

1100
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,920
cards or something he just wasn't a

1101
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,720
drinker uh

1102
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,119
and his eyes were all bloodshot

1103
00:45:26,930 --> 00:45:24,000
and uh

1104
00:45:28,730 --> 00:45:26,940
he asked me he said it happened didn't

1105
00:45:30,650 --> 00:45:28,740
it Terry

1106
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:30,660
and I said yes my brother it really

1107
00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:33,839
happened you're not losing your mind

1108
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:36,900
and he said yeah but but why us

1109
00:45:43,609 --> 00:45:40,079
and I said man I ain't got a clue and I

1110
00:45:46,010 --> 00:45:43,619
I turned and I ran from the house and um

1111
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,020
hop back in the car I thought my heart

1112
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:48,480
was going to jump out of my chest

1113
00:45:52,190 --> 00:45:51,119
and uh you know if I thought that that

1114
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,200
was going to bring me any kind of

1115
00:45:56,089 --> 00:45:54,720
closure or piece I was I was wrong it

1116
00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:56,099
did not it brought me nothing but

1117
00:46:00,890 --> 00:45:57,180
anxiety

1118
00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:00,900
and uh for years I've had you know

1119
00:46:05,650 --> 00:46:02,940
nightmares so I think we both Toby and I

1120
00:46:08,089 --> 00:46:05,660
both suffered from PTSD

1121
00:46:11,809 --> 00:46:08,099
nightmares about that event

1122
00:46:16,130 --> 00:46:11,819
and about being on this thing and uh

1123
00:46:18,050 --> 00:46:16,140
everything that that came with it

1124
00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:18,060
so uh

1125
00:46:23,210 --> 00:46:21,480
yeah well Terry what was it that

1126
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,220
Disturbed him

1127
00:46:27,950 --> 00:46:25,680
more than it Disturbed you I mean do you

1128
00:46:29,450 --> 00:46:27,960
have any recollection of maybe seeing

1129
00:46:31,849 --> 00:46:29,460
him what was happening to you guys on

1130
00:46:33,770 --> 00:46:31,859
that ship or can you make any kind of

1131
00:46:35,870 --> 00:46:33,780
connection of you know why did it just

1132
00:46:37,970 --> 00:46:35,880
shot him more than it did you

1133
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:37,980
I think that they whatever they did to

1134
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:40,560
me I think they gave Toby a double

1135
00:46:44,930 --> 00:46:43,200
measure because he was hurt worse than I

1136
00:46:47,210 --> 00:46:44,940
was

1137
00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:47,220
um but I think we both came away from

1138
00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:50,220
this thing wounded more wounded than we

1139
00:46:56,809 --> 00:46:52,200
probably wanted to admit

1140
00:46:58,849 --> 00:46:56,819
and uh I struggled with it and still do

1141
00:47:00,170 --> 00:46:58,859
you know I'm 68 I still sleep with a

1142
00:47:02,510 --> 00:47:00,180
light on at night

1143
00:47:06,410 --> 00:47:02,520
uh you know I gotta have the closet door

1144
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:06,420
and the bedroom door closed uh I um I

1145
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:08,160
have to check the house before I go to

1146
00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:10,319
bed at night and make sure everything's

1147
00:47:14,690 --> 00:47:12,780
locked up tight

1148
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:14,700
um I can't cut across an open field

1149
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:17,040
that's a weird one I I can't

1150
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:20,040
I can't stand the idea of being out in

1151
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:21,960
the open especially by myself I feel

1152
00:47:26,990 --> 00:47:24,240
vulnerable and I really will have a

1153
00:47:34,609 --> 00:47:31,130
I was uh the year was 1987.

1154
00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:34,619
and in 1987 I had an event of missing

1155
00:47:38,569 --> 00:47:35,700
time

1156
00:47:41,450 --> 00:47:38,579
on a motorcycle ride this was 10 years

1157
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:41,460
after the event I had nothing happen

1158
00:47:48,910 --> 00:47:46,740
from 1987 to 1980s from 1977 1987 those

1159
00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:48,920
10 years were peaceful nothing

1160
00:47:55,790 --> 00:47:51,240
paranormal or weird happening in my life

1161
00:47:57,770 --> 00:47:55,800
at all and then in 1987 for some reason

1162
00:48:03,349 --> 00:47:57,780
uh

1163
00:48:05,569 --> 00:48:03,359
the weird things started again you know

1164
00:48:08,089 --> 00:48:05,579
my wife who's never had she's had

1165
00:48:11,809 --> 00:48:08,099
exactly one experience in her life

1166
00:48:14,210 --> 00:48:11,819
and that was in 1987.

1167
00:48:15,290 --> 00:48:14,220
and she woke up in the middle of the

1168
00:48:17,329 --> 00:48:15,300
night

1169
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,339
and the foot of our bed

1170
00:48:21,950 --> 00:48:19,680
was was against a window

1171
00:48:23,390 --> 00:48:21,960
and there was a it was we were on the

1172
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,400
second floor there was a street light

1173
00:48:27,710 --> 00:48:24,960
outside

1174
00:48:29,930 --> 00:48:27,720
so she saw I saw a woman who was

1175
00:48:31,130 --> 00:48:29,940
silhouetted against that window that was

1176
00:48:34,010 --> 00:48:31,140
backlit

1177
00:48:35,930 --> 00:48:34,020
and appeared to have a hood on her head

1178
00:48:39,410 --> 00:48:35,940
like a like a hoodie you know a little

1179
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:39,420
point on top of her head she said

1180
00:48:44,329 --> 00:48:42,010
she got the vibe that this was a female

1181
00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:44,339
[Music]

1182
00:48:48,829 --> 00:48:45,780
um four foot tall

1183
00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:48,839
and it spoke to her like I said I wasn't

1184
00:48:53,150 --> 00:48:52,020
in the bed she doesn't know where I was

1185
00:48:56,809 --> 00:48:53,160
uh

1186
00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:56,819
but she said that the this thing she

1187
00:49:01,010 --> 00:48:58,200
called it a thing

1188
00:49:03,170 --> 00:49:01,020
spoke to her telepathically said her you

1189
00:49:05,569 --> 00:49:03,180
know she didn't hear her with her ears

1190
00:49:07,730 --> 00:49:05,579
she heard her inside her head and this

1191
00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:07,740
thing said told her everything is okay

1192
00:49:12,589 --> 00:49:10,440
go back to sleep

1193
00:49:14,329 --> 00:49:12,599
and that's what she did she rolled over

1194
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,339
and went back to sleep

1195
00:49:20,450 --> 00:49:16,800
and woke up the next morning and didn't

1196
00:49:22,730 --> 00:49:20,460
remember it until that afternoon and uh

1197
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:22,740
you know she made some notes about it

1198
00:49:28,430 --> 00:49:25,280
and she had saved a

1199
00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:28,440
newspaper not a newspaper a magazine

1200
00:49:32,210 --> 00:49:30,839
clipping about the Betty and Barney Hill

1201
00:49:36,109 --> 00:49:32,220
story

1202
00:49:37,609 --> 00:49:36,119
and she cut that out of uh like magazine

1203
00:49:40,010 --> 00:49:37,619
or look

1204
00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:40,020
look or like look magazine I think it

1205
00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:40,980
was called

1206
00:49:47,089 --> 00:49:44,940
and uh and saved it you know and it was

1207
00:49:51,410 --> 00:49:47,099
four or five years well this this was

1208
00:49:53,569 --> 00:49:51,420
1987 and that that event happened and uh

1209
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:53,579
Betty and Barney Hill happened

1210
00:49:59,150 --> 00:49:56,880
I can't remember 1972 or something uh

1211
00:50:01,069 --> 00:49:59,160
it's maybe 73 I'm not sure I don't I

1212
00:50:02,510 --> 00:50:01,079
don't recall the exact year

1213
00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:02,520
uh

1214
00:50:10,670 --> 00:50:08,760
she showed me showed it to me the next

1215
00:50:12,589 --> 00:50:10,680
day and said

1216
00:50:14,329 --> 00:50:12,599
you know

1217
00:50:16,370 --> 00:50:14,339
and she told me about her experience and

1218
00:50:18,829 --> 00:50:16,380
seeing the sanctity in the room

1219
00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:18,839
and I read this Betty and Barney Hill

1220
00:50:23,809 --> 00:50:22,020
story and gave it back to her and you

1221
00:50:25,849 --> 00:50:23,819
know we never talked about this stuff

1222
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:25,859
because every time we did I'd had

1223
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:28,079
nightmares like crazy

1224
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:30,420
but I told her yeah that you know I

1225
00:50:33,890 --> 00:50:31,440
don't know

1226
00:50:36,770 --> 00:50:33,900
I mean anything is possible

1227
00:50:38,809 --> 00:50:36,780
wow and then that that was that was a

1228
00:50:40,730 --> 00:50:38,819
Saturday night that next Sunday morning

1229
00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:40,740
I got up and I went for a motorcycle

1230
00:50:46,550 --> 00:50:44,760
ride it was like September October in

1231
00:50:50,510 --> 00:50:46,560
Michigan it was beautiful motorcycle

1232
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:50,520
weather and I got up and I would

1233
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,480
that was my weekly way to unwind I go

1234
00:50:58,430 --> 00:50:56,160
out on my bike and

1235
00:51:00,650 --> 00:50:58,440
you know right about an hour and come

1236
00:51:02,569 --> 00:51:00,660
back home and then I'd make you know

1237
00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:02,579
pancakes for the family and that was

1238
00:51:07,130 --> 00:51:04,920
kind of a ritual we went to

1239
00:51:09,650 --> 00:51:07,140
but I was always home by 11 and I mean

1240
00:51:11,089 --> 00:51:09,660
I'm known for being prompt if I tell you

1241
00:51:13,849 --> 00:51:11,099
I'm going to be somewhere I will be

1242
00:51:15,530 --> 00:51:13,859
there and I'll be there on time

1243
00:51:17,870 --> 00:51:15,540
and uh

1244
00:51:33,530 --> 00:51:17,880
I

1245
00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:33,540
hour and uh and have a little fun on it

1246
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:35,460
and there was some nice turns and hills

1247
00:51:37,790 --> 00:51:36,960
and

1248
00:51:41,770 --> 00:51:37,800
um

1249
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:41,780
I remember at one minute I am I am

1250
00:51:48,589 --> 00:51:45,720
decelerating I've been up to about uh

1251
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,599
80 something and I I knew that there was

1252
00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:50,640
a traveled many times I knew that there

1253
00:51:54,829 --> 00:51:52,680
was a fairly sharp turn coming up on

1254
00:51:57,230 --> 00:51:54,839
about a half a mile and I'm throttling

1255
00:52:00,109 --> 00:51:57,240
back to lower my speed

1256
00:52:03,530 --> 00:52:00,119
and it's like I blinked and opened my

1257
00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:03,540
eyes and I'm on my bike doing 30 miles

1258
00:52:11,569 --> 00:52:07,020
an hour down a gravel road

1259
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:11,579
and I'm like whoa how did I get here I

1260
00:52:16,970 --> 00:52:14,160
mean I can sometimes be absent-minded

1261
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:16,980
but not not this bad you know

1262
00:52:21,650 --> 00:52:19,200
and uh

1263
00:52:24,170 --> 00:52:21,660
the thing about missing time is

1264
00:52:26,930 --> 00:52:24,180
it's absolutely seamless

1265
00:52:29,569 --> 00:52:26,940
there is there is no break there is no

1266
00:52:31,790 --> 00:52:29,579
it's like they took two ends of Motion

1267
00:52:33,530 --> 00:52:31,800
Picture film and and

1268
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:33,540
put them together

1269
00:52:37,730 --> 00:52:35,760
uh so when I say seamless I mean

1270
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,740
absolutely seamless it was just one

1271
00:52:41,210 --> 00:52:39,359
scene to the next

1272
00:52:44,030 --> 00:52:41,220
and I just chalked it up to be an

1273
00:52:46,010 --> 00:52:44,040
absent-minded I knew that no way would I

1274
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:46,020
take that bike on a gravel road because

1275
00:52:50,990 --> 00:52:48,240
riding a gravel is dangerous and I

1276
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:51,000
didn't want to chip my paint job so uh

1277
00:52:57,290 --> 00:52:54,240
strictly on Blacktop

1278
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:57,300
I got home and I was an hour late

1279
00:53:02,089 --> 00:52:59,760
my wife was in tears and was ready to

1280
00:53:02,809 --> 00:53:02,099
call the State Patrol

1281
00:53:05,870 --> 00:53:02,819
um

1282
00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:05,880
and she is flipping out and like where

1283
00:53:10,670 --> 00:53:07,800
have you been

1284
00:53:13,609 --> 00:53:10,680
and I'm like that usual Sunday morning

1285
00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:13,619
thing I've been on my ride

1286
00:53:17,150 --> 00:53:15,480
and uh

1287
00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:17,160
I couldn't understand why she was so

1288
00:53:22,130 --> 00:53:19,740
upset and then I found out that yeah I

1289
00:53:23,809 --> 00:53:22,140
had been gone an hour later than I was

1290
00:53:25,790 --> 00:53:23,819
supposed to be gone

1291
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:25,800
and uh

1292
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,300
so I had that hour of missing time

1293
00:53:35,329 --> 00:53:32,160
um

1294
00:53:36,530 --> 00:53:35,339
and that was that was 1987.

1295
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:36,540
um

1296
00:53:48,770 --> 00:53:46,920
we're good we're at a good point to take

1297
00:53:51,230 --> 00:53:48,780
some questions Maybe

1298
00:53:54,109 --> 00:53:51,240
I'd love to I'd love it

1299
00:53:56,030 --> 00:53:54,119
ask me anything so for those of you

1300
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:56,040
watching uh please submit your questions

1301
00:54:01,250 --> 00:53:58,800
uh via text please make sure to use the

1302
00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:01,260
three asterisks uh before the question

1303
00:54:06,109 --> 00:54:04,020
if you are on telegram please raise your

1304
00:54:08,990 --> 00:54:06,119
hand and this way I know you also would

1305
00:54:11,089 --> 00:54:09,000
like to ask a question there so of the

1306
00:54:12,890 --> 00:54:11,099
officially beginning this part so get

1307
00:54:16,250 --> 00:54:12,900
them ready whenever you have them all

1308
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:16,260
right so uh Terry Edwards so so says

1309
00:54:22,010 --> 00:54:19,200
asking how did they walk uh did they

1310
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,020
walk like a robot or human like so he's

1311
00:54:26,270 --> 00:54:24,480
I think referring to early when you were

1312
00:54:28,190 --> 00:54:26,280
talking about the grace

1313
00:54:30,410 --> 00:54:28,200
yes I'm glad you asked that because

1314
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:30,420
that's that I actually put that in my

1315
00:54:33,170 --> 00:54:31,440
book

1316
00:54:36,530 --> 00:54:33,180
um because they don't they don't walk

1317
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:36,540
normal uh and they walked with a weird

1318
00:54:42,290 --> 00:54:40,079
gate they walk like they had sore feet

1319
00:54:44,809 --> 00:54:42,300
um and you know I

1320
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:44,819
and on the topic of Grace I will say

1321
00:54:52,010 --> 00:54:48,000
this that the ones that I saw

1322
00:54:55,010 --> 00:54:52,020
were all identical and um

1323
00:54:57,230 --> 00:54:55,020
this is an assumption on my part but I

1324
00:54:59,870 --> 00:54:57,240
don't think that they are alive and

1325
00:55:01,490 --> 00:54:59,880
living you know like the way in the way

1326
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:01,500
that you and I are I don't think they're

1327
00:55:07,490 --> 00:55:05,040
they're sin in that way uh I think

1328
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,500
they're manufactured at least the ones I

1329
00:55:11,210 --> 00:55:09,839
saw now I've said that before and other

1330
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:11,220
people have emailed me and said oh

1331
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:12,720
you're absolutely wrong I've seen them

1332
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:14,160
they look like this I've seen them

1333
00:55:20,930 --> 00:55:17,760
they're sentient and so I I think there

1334
00:55:22,250 --> 00:55:20,940
is more than one race of Grace I don't

1335
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:22,260
think you can lump them all together

1336
00:55:29,089 --> 00:55:25,440
into one category uh but the ones that I

1337
00:55:31,490 --> 00:55:29,099
saw uh walking around in the meadow

1338
00:55:32,930 --> 00:55:31,500
walked with an odd gate they walked with

1339
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,940
a limp

1340
00:55:39,170 --> 00:55:34,559
and

1341
00:55:41,569 --> 00:55:39,180
I don't have a seamless linear memory of

1342
00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:41,579
being inside this craft

1343
00:55:49,970 --> 00:55:46,800
but I do have flashes I do have images

1344
00:55:52,190 --> 00:55:49,980
um just a few of being inside the craft

1345
00:55:55,609 --> 00:55:52,200
and um

1346
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,619
they had undressed us and I was holding

1347
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:57,839
my boots and my clothing in my hands

1348
00:56:03,890 --> 00:56:00,240
about chest level

1349
00:56:05,870 --> 00:56:03,900
and um just like Calvin Parker in his

1350
00:56:08,270 --> 00:56:05,880
experience the only thing I could move

1351
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:08,280
was I could rotate my eyeballs and look

1352
00:56:13,549 --> 00:56:11,040
around us as far as I could see

1353
00:56:17,690 --> 00:56:13,559
but I couldn't turn my neck I couldn't

1354
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:17,700
you know lift a finger I was I was uh

1355
00:56:22,430 --> 00:56:19,680
Frozen paralyzed

1356
00:56:25,089 --> 00:56:22,440
and uh

1357
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:25,099
you know another odd thing is this this

1358
00:56:30,290 --> 00:56:28,079
craft if that's where I was at I don't

1359
00:56:32,210 --> 00:56:30,300
know maybe they took us somewhere else

1360
00:56:35,690 --> 00:56:32,220
because the interior of this craft

1361
00:56:37,130 --> 00:56:35,700
didn't match the size of the thing

1362
00:56:39,770 --> 00:56:37,140
that we saw

1363
00:56:41,390 --> 00:56:39,780
when we went to bed this thing well the

1364
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:41,400
thing that we saw was the size of a

1365
00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:45,359
Walmart the thing that we were in that I

1366
00:56:50,750 --> 00:56:47,220
remember was more like being in an NFL

1367
00:56:54,049 --> 00:56:50,760
stadium it was absolutely enormous

1368
00:56:56,569 --> 00:56:54,059
um but I say all this to comment that

1369
00:56:59,150 --> 00:56:56,579
there were Grays running around all over

1370
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:59,160
the place and they you know they all

1371
00:57:03,770 --> 00:57:02,160
seem task oriented to me they were all

1372
00:57:05,569 --> 00:57:03,780
doing something you know there weren't

1373
00:57:08,210 --> 00:57:05,579
any Slackers there was nobody having a

1374
00:57:10,910 --> 00:57:08,220
smoke break or you know drinking a Coke

1375
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:10,920
every all of them were moving

1376
00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:14,160
and when they walked inside the ship

1377
00:57:19,549 --> 00:57:17,400
they walk with a normal gate

1378
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:19,559
um and I think maybe there's some

1379
00:57:23,870 --> 00:57:22,079
difference in gravity or something to

1380
00:57:27,710 --> 00:57:23,880
account for that but yeah inside the

1381
00:57:30,349 --> 00:57:27,720
ship they walked normally bipedal

1382
00:57:32,329 --> 00:57:30,359
just fine uh but outside when they were

1383
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:32,339
in the metal they had all had a distinct

1384
00:57:38,569 --> 00:57:33,839
limp

1385
00:57:40,970 --> 00:57:38,579
um to their gate so fair that's

1386
00:57:43,809 --> 00:57:40,980
hey thank you for that so the next

1387
00:57:46,730 --> 00:57:43,819
question is from uh roll the losing dice

1388
00:57:48,650 --> 00:57:46,740
asking did you gain any tell

1389
00:57:52,970 --> 00:57:48,660
did you gain any metaphysical Powers

1390
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,890
you know I'm always

1391
00:58:00,890 --> 00:57:56,640
um

1392
00:58:03,770 --> 00:58:00,900
kind of reluctant to say uh yes and I

1393
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:03,780
don't like the word psychic uh I use the

1394
00:58:11,630 --> 00:58:06,960
word increased intuition

1395
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:13,370
um and it was helpful for me

1396
00:58:18,069 --> 00:58:15,960
academically it was has been a help for

1397
00:58:22,190 --> 00:58:18,079
me in my career

1398
00:58:26,450 --> 00:58:22,200
and it doesn't work all the time but

1399
00:58:28,910 --> 00:58:26,460
if I um Intuit something if I have

1400
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:28,920
something crossed my mind I pay

1401
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:31,920
attention to it because not all the

1402
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:34,319
times but a good good part of the time

1403
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:38,880
what I'm what is crossing my mind uh

1404
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:40,799
will come true

1405
00:58:47,150 --> 00:58:45,119
so yeah and I consider that to be a gift

1406
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,160
um and you know I don't think that they

1407
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,960
intentionally hurt us I don't think that

1408
00:58:52,849 --> 00:58:50,640
this thing was meant to be a torture

1409
00:58:55,789 --> 00:58:52,859
session we were hurt but I think that

1410
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:55,799
was more collateral damage

1411
00:58:58,970 --> 00:58:56,880
um

1412
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:58,980
you know people ask me would you know if

1413
00:59:02,690 --> 00:59:00,480
you had it to do over again would you

1414
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:02,700
take it back and not have made the trip

1415
00:59:06,170 --> 00:59:05,520
and the answer is absolutely not

1416
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,180
um

1417
00:59:12,410 --> 00:59:08,880
you know I've lived with this for 46 45

1418
00:59:16,430 --> 00:59:12,420
years whatever it is and um

1419
00:59:18,230 --> 00:59:16,440
it's a part of me of who I am and uh

1420
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:18,240
you know for better or worse I would I

1421
00:59:23,210 --> 00:59:21,359
wouldn't trade experience for anything

1422
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:23,220
great thank you for that

1423
00:59:29,569 --> 00:59:26,880
uh the next question is from uh Crystal

1424
00:59:31,069 --> 00:59:29,579
I think the way it's written doesn't

1425
00:59:32,750 --> 00:59:31,079
sound quite right but I think I know

1426
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:32,760
what she's trying to say

1427
00:59:37,609 --> 00:59:34,799
basically says have the experiences stop

1428
00:59:39,530 --> 00:59:37,619
for you now I've heard it slows with age

1429
00:59:42,289 --> 00:59:39,540
from some family friends with the

1430
00:59:44,210 --> 00:59:42,299
abduction experiences

1431
00:59:46,970 --> 00:59:44,220
you know I just had this conversation

1432
00:59:49,370 --> 00:59:46,980
with Robert Hastings I swear this

1433
00:59:51,710 --> 00:59:49,380
morning crazy

1434
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:51,720
um because he asked me if I had any

1435
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:54,480
experiences lately and I told him no and

1436
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:56,160
I haven't and I've not had any

1437
01:00:04,609 --> 01:00:00,480
experiences since uh April 16th of uh

1438
01:00:07,370 --> 01:00:04,619
of 2019 April 16 2019 is the last time I

1439
01:00:10,010 --> 01:00:07,380
had any kind of experience and that was

1440
01:00:14,569 --> 01:00:10,020
an experience of

1441
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:17,390
I uh up until that point

1442
01:00:22,910 --> 01:00:21,119
I had taken photographs of UFOs

1443
01:00:25,010 --> 01:00:22,920
several a year

1444
01:00:26,569 --> 01:00:25,020
and I have I have a you know a

1445
01:00:28,809 --> 01:00:26,579
collection of them

1446
01:00:32,510 --> 01:00:28,819
and you know these aren't just funny

1447
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:32,520
smudges on on a piece these are

1448
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:35,280
clearly disc

1449
01:00:45,770 --> 01:00:41,760
um or orbs are you know silver Globes

1450
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,780
and I've seen those all my life and uh

1451
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:47,760
I hadn't I haven't seen anything since

1452
01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:50,400
April 16th of 2019.

1453
01:00:55,010 --> 01:00:53,160
and uh Robert Hastings made the

1454
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:55,020
statement he says yeah because Robert's

1455
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:57,839
uh 83 himself uh

1456
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:00,720
and he's not had any experiences in six

1457
01:01:05,390 --> 01:01:03,359
years so he says yeah he says I think

1458
01:01:07,069 --> 01:01:05,400
there's a point where they they are

1459
01:01:08,930 --> 01:01:07,079
they're done with us it's you know

1460
01:01:11,230 --> 01:01:08,940
mission accomplished we've done whatever

1461
01:01:13,549 --> 01:01:11,240
it is we're doing for them

1462
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:13,559
uh we're they're done they're done with

1463
01:01:20,569 --> 01:01:16,559
us we've done the job and uh

1464
01:01:27,530 --> 01:01:25,549
okay thank you uh PBS asks do you think

1465
01:01:30,410 --> 01:01:27,540
some of the abductions could be an

1466
01:01:34,130 --> 01:01:30,420
advanced mind control operation uh using

1467
01:01:40,190 --> 01:01:36,589
I didn't think that I rebelled against

1468
01:01:43,490 --> 01:01:42,049
and thinking well that's ridiculous

1469
01:01:44,930 --> 01:01:43,500
they're just saying that because they

1470
01:01:47,089 --> 01:01:44,940
don't want to believe in in

1471
01:01:48,890 --> 01:01:47,099
extraterrestrial beings

1472
01:01:50,990 --> 01:01:48,900
um

1473
01:01:53,630 --> 01:01:51,000
you know now I'm at least willing to

1474
01:01:55,549 --> 01:01:53,640
consider it that if that it is a

1475
01:01:58,069 --> 01:01:55,559
possibility

1476
01:02:00,060 --> 01:01:58,079
that this could be our government or

1477
01:02:00,349 --> 01:02:00,070
somebody's government

1478
01:02:01,390 --> 01:02:00,359
[Music]

1479
01:02:05,089 --> 01:02:01,400
um

1480
01:02:08,030 --> 01:02:05,099
you know doing a social experiment

1481
01:02:10,430 --> 01:02:08,040
uh I don't think that's the case

1482
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:10,440
uh but while I used to say that my

1483
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:12,720
answer we used to be absolutely not I

1484
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:15,119
know what I saw uh what I saw wasn't

1485
01:02:18,170 --> 01:02:16,559
made at Boeing

1486
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:18,180
and uh

1487
01:02:22,609 --> 01:02:20,400
become almost offended by the question

1488
01:02:24,650 --> 01:02:22,619
but but no you know because I really

1489
01:02:25,970 --> 01:02:24,660
when I think about how do I know how

1490
01:02:27,890 --> 01:02:25,980
would I know

1491
01:02:28,849 --> 01:02:27,900
I really don't know

1492
01:02:33,049 --> 01:02:28,859
um

1493
01:02:36,349 --> 01:02:33,059
who I ran into you know July 11 1977. I

1494
01:02:38,690 --> 01:02:36,359
have no way of knowing so um well I

1495
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:38,700
think that the chances are slim I think

1496
01:02:49,970 --> 01:02:47,870
okay uh William William Tell is asking

1497
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:49,980
um Terry do you know what their agenda

1498
01:02:56,990 --> 01:02:54,650
God I wish I did

1499
01:02:59,930 --> 01:02:57,000
I you know I

1500
01:03:01,789 --> 01:02:59,940
I had these things in my life

1501
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:01,799
like a lot of people

1502
01:03:08,809 --> 01:03:04,319
for a lifetime

1503
01:03:11,690 --> 01:03:08,819
um why I I really don't have a clue I I

1504
01:03:14,210 --> 01:03:11,700
don't I mean I can draw the analogy that

1505
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:14,220
you know on the Serengeti plane we'll

1506
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:14,880
um

1507
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:18,000
we'll use a dart gun and anesthetize a

1508
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:21,839
lion and put a uh a monitoring device on

1509
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:25,200
it and uh you know all the lion knows is

1510
01:03:28,609 --> 01:03:27,839
uh you know he's hit with something and

1511
01:03:30,530 --> 01:03:28,619
then

1512
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:30,540
boom it's good night

1513
01:03:35,930 --> 01:03:33,359
and then uh then he wakes up probably

1514
01:03:40,490 --> 01:03:35,940
with a headache and uh

1515
01:03:43,130 --> 01:03:40,500
goes on about his business and um

1516
01:03:45,530 --> 01:03:43,140
could be the same with us you know I

1517
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:45,540
wish I had a clue I wish somebody knew

1518
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:48,960
but people that claim that they know

1519
01:03:53,569 --> 01:03:50,880
don't believe them because I don't I

1520
01:03:55,309 --> 01:03:53,579
don't think anybody really knows and the

1521
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:55,319
answer may be even be something we can't

1522
01:03:59,690 --> 01:03:57,599
comprehend

1523
01:04:04,069 --> 01:03:59,700
okay thank you

1524
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:04,079
um Lex Parsons asking does Mr lovelies

1525
01:04:09,710 --> 01:04:07,680
believe Toby uh quote took it took it to

1526
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:09,720
worst out of the abduction experience

1527
01:04:14,270 --> 01:04:12,720
and if so does he have any idea why he

1528
01:04:18,589 --> 01:04:14,280
thinks that

1529
01:04:22,130 --> 01:04:18,599
yeah

1530
01:04:24,530 --> 01:04:22,140
um that's a sad story and uh

1531
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:24,540
and again I don't I don't want to

1532
01:04:30,530 --> 01:04:26,160
um

1533
01:04:32,750 --> 01:04:30,540
I had my struggles after this event too

1534
01:04:34,910 --> 01:04:32,760
um but Toby

1535
01:04:36,410 --> 01:04:34,920
well he was never a drinker he you know

1536
01:04:38,569 --> 01:04:36,420
he wasn't the kind of guy to go to a bar

1537
01:04:41,450 --> 01:04:38,579
he wasn't the kind of guy to sit around

1538
01:04:43,730 --> 01:04:41,460
the barbecue grill and uh and and you

1539
01:04:45,530 --> 01:04:43,740
know drink six or seven beers that just

1540
01:04:48,109 --> 01:04:45,540
wasn't him

1541
01:04:49,849 --> 01:04:48,119
but I found out we found out my wife and

1542
01:04:51,650 --> 01:04:49,859
I found out through a conversation with

1543
01:04:53,450 --> 01:04:51,660
this wife because his wife left him when

1544
01:04:54,650 --> 01:04:53,460
they were in Japan and she moved back to

1545
01:04:58,430 --> 01:04:54,660
the States

1546
01:05:00,109 --> 01:04:58,440
and she contacted my wife and uh

1547
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:00,119
told the story

1548
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:02,400
that um

1549
01:05:07,789 --> 01:05:05,280
Toby could not go to sleep at night

1550
01:05:10,430 --> 01:05:07,799
unless he was just absolutely hammered

1551
01:05:13,789 --> 01:05:10,440
and what he would do is he would have a

1552
01:05:15,950 --> 01:05:13,799
normal day normal evening uh you know

1553
01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:15,960
live live a fairly normal life but

1554
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:19,680
before he goes to bed he would slam five

1555
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:23,280
or six shots I mean over the course of

1556
01:05:29,690 --> 01:05:26,640
you know an hour or something but

1557
01:05:30,530 --> 01:05:29,700
and then and then more and then more and

1558
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:30,540
more

1559
01:05:33,890 --> 01:05:32,400
um

1560
01:05:36,289 --> 01:05:33,900
and uh

1561
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:36,299
that was the only way he could sleep and

1562
01:05:40,849 --> 01:05:37,200
I

1563
01:05:43,849 --> 01:05:40,859
me that uh

1564
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:43,859
you know that they uh self-anesthetize

1565
01:05:49,130 --> 01:05:47,760
you know with benzodiazepines Valium you

1566
01:05:50,569 --> 01:05:49,140
know Ambien

1567
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:50,579
um

1568
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:52,319
because you know when you're when you're

1569
01:05:57,950 --> 01:05:55,680
asleep if you if you are out

1570
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:57,960
uh you know that you kind of look it's

1571
01:06:02,809 --> 01:06:00,240
kind of like the Monsters can't come in

1572
01:06:04,910 --> 01:06:02,819
I guess

1573
01:06:07,370 --> 01:06:04,920
um

1574
01:06:09,770 --> 01:06:07,380
but yeah sleep seems to be an issue for

1575
01:06:13,370 --> 01:06:09,780
a lot of people that uh

1576
01:06:15,710 --> 01:06:13,380
that have these events and alcoholism

1577
01:06:21,109 --> 01:06:15,720
took over Toby's life and was eventually

1578
01:06:26,270 --> 01:06:22,910
wait thank you

1579
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:26,280
um El Gringo is asking more details on

1580
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:32,510
the alien in charge

1581
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:35,760
when we were on the ship again I I don't

1582
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:38,640
have a complete memory I have bits and

1583
01:06:42,170 --> 01:06:40,319
pieces and

1584
01:06:45,230 --> 01:06:42,180
while I'm watching these little gray

1585
01:06:47,150 --> 01:06:45,240
guys running all over the place

1586
01:06:49,849 --> 01:06:47,160
there was a

1587
01:06:53,870 --> 01:06:49,859
an entity about six foot tall

1588
01:06:54,529 --> 01:06:53,880
who was not gray now he he wore a gray

1589
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:54,539
um

1590
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:57,359
like a knit shirt with a v-neck I

1591
01:07:02,569 --> 01:06:59,760
clearly remember that I didn't see any

1592
01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:02,579
signs of Insignia or rank

1593
01:07:06,829 --> 01:07:05,039
um and his pants seemed to seamlessly

1594
01:07:09,650 --> 01:07:06,839
just melt into his shoes like they were

1595
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:09,660
formed into one one piece

1596
01:07:15,230 --> 01:07:12,720
and uh I didn't get a great look at him

1597
01:07:17,210 --> 01:07:15,240
because I saw him walk again remember I

1598
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:17,220
can't move my head I can only move my

1599
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:19,920
eyes and he moved across my line of

1600
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:20,880
sight

1601
01:07:26,809 --> 01:07:24,240
from my right to my left

1602
01:07:29,329 --> 01:07:26,819
and stopped and was doing something to

1603
01:07:32,270 --> 01:07:29,339
like a panel plus pushing buttons or

1604
01:07:33,950 --> 01:07:32,280
something and I've got my eyes strained

1605
01:07:36,410 --> 01:07:33,960
all the way to the left

1606
01:07:39,170 --> 01:07:36,420
and he looked up and I think just by

1607
01:07:43,250 --> 01:07:39,180
happenstance it was just like we locked

1608
01:07:44,690 --> 01:07:43,260
eyes boom and uh

1609
01:07:47,569 --> 01:07:44,700
and you know probably of all the things

1610
01:07:49,309 --> 01:07:47,579
that happened to me uh that that was the

1611
01:07:52,130 --> 01:07:49,319
most frightening

1612
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:52,140
um because at the instant that we locked

1613
01:07:55,370 --> 01:07:54,000
eyes I could feel that this thing's in

1614
01:08:02,210 --> 01:07:55,380
my head

1615
01:08:06,049 --> 01:08:02,220
it knew me it knew my secrets it knew my

1616
01:08:08,529 --> 01:08:06,059
hopes it knew my childhood it knew

1617
01:08:12,289 --> 01:08:08,539
everything about me and um

1618
01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:12,299
I knew that he was taking a copy you

1619
01:08:18,289 --> 01:08:15,599
know I knew that and I

1620
01:08:20,749 --> 01:08:18,299
it's a huge invasion

1621
01:08:23,209 --> 01:08:20,759
of any human being's privacy

1622
01:08:26,030 --> 01:08:23,219
to have someone do that to you or

1623
01:08:29,689 --> 01:08:26,040
something do that to you

1624
01:08:33,050 --> 01:08:29,699
uh he had the jet black almond-shaped

1625
01:08:34,849 --> 01:08:33,060
eyes again not not exaggerated like you

1626
01:08:38,329 --> 01:08:34,859
see in Emotion pictures this was again

1627
01:08:39,769 --> 01:08:38,339
more like a wraparound pair of Ray-Bans

1628
01:08:43,209 --> 01:08:39,779
um

1629
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:43,219
but what made it so frightening was

1630
01:08:47,809 --> 01:08:46,799
this thing was clearly

1631
01:08:49,970 --> 01:08:47,819
um

1632
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:49,980
Superior to me

1633
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:52,560
you know intellectually physically

1634
01:08:59,150 --> 01:08:56,400
emotionally I mean in in every capacity

1635
01:09:01,130 --> 01:08:59,160
this thing was above me

1636
01:09:03,650 --> 01:09:01,140
and uh

1637
01:09:04,910 --> 01:09:03,660
I had thought that human beings were

1638
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:04,920
kind of the

1639
01:09:09,729 --> 01:09:07,199
the apex predator you know I thought we

1640
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:09,739
were kind of the the the the

1641
01:09:16,130 --> 01:09:12,480
top of the Heap

1642
01:09:18,410 --> 01:09:16,140
and that was really an epiphany to

1643
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:18,420
discover that we are not

1644
01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:21,600
and the analogy I like to draw is you

1645
01:09:25,070 --> 01:09:23,460
know my dog will come and put her head

1646
01:09:27,289 --> 01:09:25,080
in my lap and I'll Pat her in the head

1647
01:09:31,070 --> 01:09:27,299
and she'll look up at me with them big

1648
01:09:37,849 --> 01:09:33,829
we each knew our respective rule she

1649
01:09:42,530 --> 01:09:37,859
knows uh she's the dog and uh

1650
01:09:45,769 --> 01:09:42,540
she knows I'm the alpha in the equation

1651
01:09:46,970 --> 01:09:45,779
and when I locked eyes with this thing

1652
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:46,980
um

1653
01:09:54,830 --> 01:09:49,679
it was like I was the dog in the

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01:10:01,490 --> 01:09:59,390
great thank you uh Terry Puffin on

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01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:01,500
Twitch thank you Puffin for watching on

1656
01:10:04,729 --> 01:10:03,120
Twitch I appreciate that that's the

1657
01:10:06,590 --> 01:10:04,739
other platform I'm trying to expand to

1658
01:10:10,189 --> 01:10:06,600
in case YouTube takes me down one day

1659
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:10,199
but uh the question from Puffin is did

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01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:12,960
the gray smell like anything

1661
01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:15,360
no I'm asked that all the time I don't

1662
01:10:23,149 --> 01:10:20,400
recall any uh olfactory sensory

1663
01:10:25,370 --> 01:10:23,159
of any kind I don't recall smelling

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01:10:29,290 --> 01:10:25,380
anything

1665
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:32,149
when I had an interrogation by The OSI

1666
01:10:37,850 --> 01:10:36,000
one of the uh OSI officers was really

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01:10:40,370 --> 01:10:37,860
insistent did I smell anything like

1668
01:10:42,590 --> 01:10:40,380
bitter almonds or like that smelled like

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01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:42,600
almond extract and I said no and they

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01:10:46,610 --> 01:10:44,400
were very interested in that

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01:10:49,370 --> 01:10:46,620
so I don't know what the significance of

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01:10:51,470 --> 01:10:49,380
that is because I I didn't have an

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01:10:53,390 --> 01:10:51,480
experience

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01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:53,400
great thank you

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01:10:57,830 --> 01:10:55,920
um Canadian Sk8

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01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:57,840
it's just it's a real short question but

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01:11:01,910 --> 01:10:59,760
just as a childhood experiences so I'm

1678
01:11:04,370 --> 01:11:01,920
assuming she's asking if you could maybe

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01:11:05,810 --> 01:11:04,380
share some of those

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01:11:07,790 --> 01:11:05,820
sure

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01:11:09,470 --> 01:11:07,800
um

1682
01:11:12,050 --> 01:11:09,480
I explained in my book and it sounds

1683
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:12,060
kind of silly but you know I'm I'm

1684
01:11:17,149 --> 01:11:14,400
telling this

1685
01:11:19,310 --> 01:11:17,159
um from my my six-year-old five-year-old

1686
01:11:21,229 --> 01:11:19,320
perspective

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01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:21,239
um and I would wake up in the middle of

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01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:22,800
the night

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01:11:26,450 --> 01:11:25,440
and I had

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01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:26,460
um

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01:11:32,689 --> 01:11:30,239
four little circus monkeys I mean they

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01:11:34,970 --> 01:11:32,699
look just like

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01:11:37,729 --> 01:11:34,980
you know the monkeys you see in the

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01:11:41,090 --> 01:11:37,739
old-fashioned circus with uh you know

1695
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:41,100
little white cuffs on and a little you

1696
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:42,719
know red coat song

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01:11:47,390 --> 01:11:45,120
and um

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01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:47,400
but they all wore a mask they wore a

1699
01:11:51,290 --> 01:11:49,920
white mask with just the eyes peeking

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01:11:54,590 --> 01:11:51,300
through

1701
01:11:59,810 --> 01:11:57,649
when I look back on it I know that what

1702
01:12:03,110 --> 01:11:59,820
I saw

1703
01:12:06,649 --> 01:12:03,120
wasn't what I was seeing was not real

1704
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:06,659
they were projecting an image in my mind

1705
01:12:12,649 --> 01:12:09,840
and I think that they have the ability

1706
01:12:14,750 --> 01:12:12,659
to appear in whatever way the child will

1707
01:12:18,169 --> 01:12:14,760
find the most benign

1708
01:12:20,209 --> 01:12:18,179
and for me it was circus monkeys now I

1709
01:12:22,850 --> 01:12:20,219
think tons of people email me and say

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01:12:25,850 --> 01:12:22,860
they they had owls in their room when

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01:12:27,890 --> 01:12:25,860
they were four and five years old or one

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01:12:30,770 --> 01:12:27,900
kid had a raccoon and a talking raccoon

1713
01:12:34,250 --> 01:12:30,780
that would come into his room uh you

1714
01:12:37,250 --> 01:12:34,260
know orbs of light Disney characters uh

1715
01:12:39,050 --> 01:12:37,260
deer all kinds of things and again I

1716
01:12:43,610 --> 01:12:39,060
think it goes back to what what will

1717
01:12:47,390 --> 01:12:45,229
so Terry

1718
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:47,400
um I'm just looking over the questions I

1719
01:12:51,709 --> 01:12:48,960
have one last question I don't know

1720
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:51,719
exactly why they're asking it but I want

1721
01:12:55,729 --> 01:12:53,760
to give everyone an opportunity to read

1722
01:12:57,410 --> 01:12:55,739
their question and so if something

1723
01:12:58,610 --> 01:12:57,420
questions are too personal please just

1724
01:13:00,850 --> 01:12:58,620
let me know

1725
01:13:04,130 --> 01:13:00,860
um but this person

1726
01:13:10,010 --> 01:13:04,140
dvk2 us just asking do you believe in

1727
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:13,189
that's a very complicated question and

1728
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:14,880
um

1729
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:18,000
I I know that the answer I know the

1730
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:21,600
answer that that that you want

1731
01:13:25,310 --> 01:13:22,800
um

1732
01:13:28,250 --> 01:13:25,320
and I I won't discuss my religious

1733
01:13:32,030 --> 01:13:28,260
beliefs uh just because I do think they

1734
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:32,040
are personal and and unfortunately

1735
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:32,880
um

1736
01:13:37,130 --> 01:13:34,800
I've run into too many people who were

1737
01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:37,140
kind of judgmental

1738
01:13:41,810 --> 01:13:37,920
um

1739
01:13:43,370 --> 01:13:41,820
now I've been told by people that if I

1740
01:13:47,689 --> 01:13:43,380
have an encounter

1741
01:13:49,490 --> 01:13:47,699
to to call on Jesus and he can intervene

1742
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:49,500
and um

1743
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:52,800
he has uh jurisdiction and power over

1744
01:13:59,930 --> 01:13:58,070
um the thought to try that never crossed

1745
01:14:02,570 --> 01:13:59,940
has just I I haven't done it just

1746
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:02,580
because it's never crossed my mind

1747
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,270
but um

1748
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:11,750
I'll say this I I'm not quite sure you

1749
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:15,360
know I'm not quite sure what to believe

1750
01:14:20,030 --> 01:14:16,800
um

1751
01:14:25,850 --> 01:14:23,630
I've run into some people uh a woman who

1752
01:14:28,510 --> 01:14:25,860
had a near-death experience

1753
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:28,520
and she told me something interesting

1754
01:14:33,169 --> 01:14:31,199
she drowned in a swimming pool when she

1755
01:14:36,290 --> 01:14:33,179
was 14 years old

1756
01:14:38,450 --> 01:14:36,300
and uh there happened to be a doctor at

1757
01:14:41,090 --> 01:14:38,460
the pool so she got and the Lifeguard

1758
01:14:43,610 --> 01:14:41,100
pulled her out so she got even though

1759
01:14:46,130 --> 01:14:43,620
she didn't have an independent pulse she

1760
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:46,140
got um and she wasn't breathing

1761
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:49,920
she got CPR on the way to the hospital

1762
01:14:52,910 --> 01:14:50,640
um

1763
01:14:55,130 --> 01:14:52,920
but she was without a heartbeat for 32

1764
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:55,140
minutes

1765
01:14:59,630 --> 01:14:56,159
um

1766
01:15:03,350 --> 01:14:59,640
and she said she was her parents were

1767
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:03,360
immigrants from Taiwan uh who came from

1768
01:15:09,229 --> 01:15:06,960
China to Taiwan and then to the United

1769
01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:09,239
States and they were Buddhist and she

1770
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:11,280
had been raised as a Buddhist

1771
01:15:16,490 --> 01:15:13,679
and uh

1772
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:16,500
when she drowned she saw herself above

1773
01:15:25,070 --> 01:15:21,360
the pool and in her next experience was

1774
01:15:27,229 --> 01:15:25,080
um being in this lush jungle Garden

1775
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:27,239
that she said was absolutely beautiful

1776
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:29,760
feeling this interconnectedness with

1777
01:15:34,430 --> 01:15:31,679
everything there

1778
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:34,440
and she told me she was met by um by a

1779
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:37,199
monk in red robes

1780
01:15:41,630 --> 01:15:39,600
now she told me also

1781
01:15:43,010 --> 01:15:41,640
and she had the most amazing story to

1782
01:15:44,510 --> 01:15:43,020
tell but I don't have time to tell here

1783
01:15:45,229 --> 01:15:44,520
but

1784
01:15:48,890 --> 01:15:45,239
um

1785
01:15:50,750 --> 01:15:48,900
she did say I have no doubt that had I

1786
01:15:52,970 --> 01:15:50,760
been a Christian that Jesus would have

1787
01:15:54,890 --> 01:15:52,980
met me there

1788
01:15:56,689 --> 01:15:54,900
um that if I'd have been Roman Catholic

1789
01:15:57,410 --> 01:15:56,699
maybe the Virgin Mary would have met me

1790
01:16:00,649 --> 01:15:57,420
there

1791
01:16:02,330 --> 01:16:00,659
uh you know and uh she had all these all

1792
01:16:03,530 --> 01:16:02,340
these cultural

1793
01:16:06,290 --> 01:16:03,540
um

1794
01:16:08,750 --> 01:16:06,300
uh differences that she could cite to

1795
01:16:12,290 --> 01:16:08,760
pull up and um

1796
01:16:15,110 --> 01:16:12,300
and that's her belief so

1797
01:16:18,649 --> 01:16:15,120
she knew that whatever met her there

1798
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:18,659
this monk was not a Supreme Being it

1799
01:16:24,590 --> 01:16:21,360
wasn't the ultimate deity it was like a

1800
01:16:26,090 --> 01:16:24,600
guide a spirit guide or something

1801
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:26,100
um

1802
01:16:29,330 --> 01:16:27,600
but I think it's interesting that she

1803
01:16:31,010 --> 01:16:29,340
made that observation saying that had

1804
01:16:32,930 --> 01:16:31,020
she been Christian she has no doubt that

1805
01:16:35,090 --> 01:16:32,940
she would have met Jesus

1806
01:16:37,790 --> 01:16:35,100
and I don't think any of this takes away

1807
01:16:41,330 --> 01:16:37,800
any validity of the experience at all I

1808
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:41,340
think it just bolsters it

1809
01:16:47,149 --> 01:16:43,920
Terry um I have one more question from

1810
01:16:51,169 --> 01:16:47,159
Helio De Sosa because I think

1811
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:51,179
I think uh we always ask about you know

1812
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:53,040
um missing time but he has a good point

1813
01:16:57,290 --> 01:16:54,960
here that I just want to ask and I

1814
01:16:59,689 --> 01:16:57,300
promise this would be the last question

1815
01:17:02,330 --> 01:16:59,699
um he's asking hi have you noticed any

1816
01:17:05,209 --> 01:17:02,340
time Distortion during or after contact

1817
01:17:07,310 --> 01:17:05,219
not missing time but some sort of

1818
01:17:09,530 --> 01:17:07,320
distortion on fabric of time itself

1819
01:17:11,209 --> 01:17:09,540
thank you

1820
01:17:12,290 --> 01:17:11,219
no

1821
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:12,300
um

1822
01:17:18,290 --> 01:17:16,080
I notice I think like everybody you know

1823
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:18,300
if I'm busy and I'm on a task and I'm

1824
01:17:21,890 --> 01:17:19,679
doing something

1825
01:17:25,010 --> 01:17:21,900
you know time flies

1826
01:17:28,970 --> 01:17:25,020
uh if I'm sitting at a dentist office

1827
01:17:30,649 --> 01:17:28,980
time slows and um

1828
01:17:34,490 --> 01:17:30,659
that

1829
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:34,500
the time

1830
01:17:38,689 --> 01:17:36,719
but I know what you're asking about time

1831
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:38,699
Distortion and I and I can't say I ever

1832
01:17:46,810 --> 01:17:44,990
okay well Terry thank you very much for

1833
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:46,820
taking the time to to talk to me today

1834
01:17:51,050 --> 01:17:49,199
uh like I said earlier I'm looking

1835
01:17:52,850 --> 01:17:51,060
forward to also meeting you in person at

1836
01:17:55,250 --> 01:17:52,860
the Ozark conference that would be

1837
01:17:56,750 --> 01:17:55,260
exciting because it's always fun to have

1838
01:17:58,910 --> 01:17:56,760
to after after all the talks are done

1839
01:18:00,649 --> 01:17:58,920
people like to gather and just share

1840
01:18:02,689 --> 01:18:00,659
these kind of stories all over the place

1841
01:18:05,930 --> 01:18:02,699
so it just depends on where you end up

1842
01:18:09,410 --> 01:18:05,940
is what kind of stories you you hear but

1843
01:18:11,450 --> 01:18:09,420
um yeah I'm I'm um just

1844
01:18:13,310 --> 01:18:11,460
is there anything in conclusion that you

1845
01:18:15,770 --> 01:18:13,320
would like to finish up with and then

1846
01:18:17,330 --> 01:18:15,780
we'll we'll conclude this interview

1847
01:18:18,649 --> 01:18:17,340
you know what I'd just like to say I'd

1848
01:18:20,930 --> 01:18:18,659
like to say thank you for listening

1849
01:18:22,550 --> 01:18:20,940
thank you for asking questions and if

1850
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:22,560
you can make it at all

1851
01:18:29,330 --> 01:18:26,159
um please please come April 14th through

1852
01:18:32,330 --> 01:18:29,340
16th come come up to my booth and shake

1853
01:18:33,709 --> 01:18:32,340
my hand and uh happy to talk to you and

1854
01:18:36,229 --> 01:18:33,719
I think you'll have the time of your

1855
01:18:38,930 --> 01:18:36,239
life so please come

1856
01:18:40,669 --> 01:18:38,940
all right well and always all the links

1857
01:18:43,310 --> 01:18:40,679
are in the description uh in the

1858
01:18:46,130 --> 01:18:43,320
description below this video to both of

1859
01:18:47,630 --> 01:18:46,140
the books for Terry the links to the

1860
01:18:50,450 --> 01:18:47,640
Ozark where you can purchase your

1861
01:18:52,850 --> 01:18:50,460
tickets and also get a live stream so

1862
01:18:54,530 --> 01:18:52,860
anyway I hope to see some of you there

1863
01:18:56,090 --> 01:18:54,540
because you'll see both of us there I'll

1864
01:18:57,649 --> 01:18:56,100
be there and Terry will be there as well

1865
01:18:59,570 --> 01:18:57,659
well Terry

1866
01:19:01,729 --> 01:18:59,580
um sit tight let me just say goodbye to

1867
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:01,739
everyone else and then we'll

1868
01:19:07,070 --> 01:19:05,040
um we'll end up finish up here so

1869
01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:07,080
thank you all very much for watching

1870
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:09,120
today I'm hoping maybe in the future

1871
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:11,280
again I'll have Terry on and we'll

1872
01:19:15,410 --> 01:19:13,679
discuss more and of course we'll have

1873
01:19:17,750 --> 01:19:15,420
the ability for you to ask some more

1874
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:17,760
questions but I thank all of thank you

1875
01:19:23,149 --> 01:19:20,400
all to all that have tuned in today on

1876
01:19:25,010 --> 01:19:23,159
Twitch on YouTube uh some of you on

1877
01:19:26,510 --> 01:19:25,020
telegram I was uh there was a person

1878
01:19:27,950 --> 01:19:26,520
there earlier that was going to ask a

1879
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:27,960
question but I guess

1880
01:19:31,310 --> 01:19:29,520
um we were not quite there yet because I

1881
01:19:34,130 --> 01:19:31,320
always make an announcement when when

1882
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:34,140
questions will q a basically starts but

1883
01:19:38,330 --> 01:19:35,280
anyway

1884
01:19:41,209 --> 01:19:38,340
um this this basically it thank you all

1885
01:19:43,490 --> 01:19:41,219
again thanks for for your time and um

1886
01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:43,500
I'll hope you learned something there's

1887
01:19:47,390 --> 01:19:45,360
plenty more other videos uh like

1888
01:19:49,970 --> 01:19:47,400
re-watching the first part with Terry

1889
01:19:51,050 --> 01:19:49,980
and many others that I've done over the

1890
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:51,060
years

1891
01:19:55,550 --> 01:19:53,040
um again check out all the links in the